leonardo dicaprio talks about hedonism at all levels of society.is saying there is no shame anymore. >> that may be so. but bill, whose side are you on? caprio's side or tt 72% ofmericans more worried about big govement than big business? >> i don't really consider leonardo dicaprio to be an expert on economic matters. okay? our economy is built around consumer. i. in terms of being self-indulgent hypocrites, there is no question that hollywood is pretty bad. but it's not as bad as politicians or media types. >> john, where do you stand on this? is dicaprio right or wrong? he has a point. i am a libertarian an my view is people should live as th nt so long as they don't make others pay for their lifestes. for me, far more corrosive to society is when a m is living well is when people live off of others, including corporate bail-outs or crony capitalism like solyndra or individuals taking the hand-out from government. that is much, much worse than someone livingell and taking big fan trips and things like that. >> steve, i like theea of what emac an

the hedonism was rampant. it was a depiction of, you know, jordan's biography and how honest he was about his addiction to wealth and power and greed on wall street. all of that. absolutely. it was a wild shoot. it really was. >> we only finished the film a couple of weeks ago. seeing the trailer, i am tired all over again. no, it was, it was something -- you had brought it to me. you brought to the script to me. >> you had to beat out some people. brad pitt was interested. >> that all happens behind closed doors that i don't understand. i went after this book. >> there was competition. you want to do because it was a story you wanted to tell because >> this is a satire. it is a dark comedy. so is "dr. strangelove." we take a funny approach to this but what we're talking about is a serious subject and it represents something in our very culture. >> winners and losers in a lot of money. people get hurt and make money and all of that. people go to jail. >> i do not think of it as a satire. i thought of it as a s

because when you're making almost an american epic about greed and indulgence and hedonism like this, you really have to cater to a studio in a lot of ways. you have to cater to the audience. and this -- we had financiers and collaborators that said, look, not only do we want you to put this material on screen but push the envelope. be free artistically to go to places that you never imagined so that was one of the big motivators with me to try to get them to do this because i knew there was -- there weren't that many directors that would really take the time to explore that within the characters. it's -- i keep referencing this one line in "goodfellas" but that's the experiment twags the actors getting to play. it's your capturing something about the very essence of who they are which ultimately shapes the course of what the movie is. you know? he's interested in character studies. he's interested in what the actors do to capture the essence of who these people are. >> rose: what's the line in "goodfellas"? >> "what am i here to amuse you?" i kept asking him about that. and he said t

have friends on wall street that my hollywood friends couldn't even keep up with, when it comes to hedonismtake ople as they come. i don't know dicaprio or how he lives his life. i'm not going to judge him. don't pin this on hollywood because they're an easy target. >> rich, the point is that what dicaprio is saying, all the bad things in the world; particularly, all the world that have happenedn this untry economically is because of capitalism an they are paying this guy as a representative oour capitalist system. >> you know, i don't think he said that exactly. i think he was pointing ou to the embodiment of the certain kind of a person who cheats the rules and so forth. look, i find myself in an odd position of bei with rick on this one. i don't think there is any more hypocrisyn hollywood than professional sports or athletes out ere using performance enhancing drugs or about this presidential administration where they lie about their healthcare initiative. don't think, i think human foibles sort of are spread evenly across professions. >> when you think of what happened to this country

it's getting pretty good box office returns, by the way, but to hear hollywood stars talk about hedonismion between what how much money you make and the quality of your work. i think that people are going to see this for the entertainment, kind of sexy girls they have and everybody is fascinated by rich people and what rich people do, and that's why people go. >> are we going to see solyndra the movie? >> i don't think so. charles: a lot of times i think the goal of hollywood and the messages they push. they're not successful, if they were they'd probably lock up every g.o.p. senator in america. i saw it in a screening with rex reed and other people, and it's a cautionary tale, i would want to be a broker, i was happy to be a broker, not necessarily gordon gecko-- >> americans want to be rich. why do you think that people buy the scratch-off lottery tickets and so forth with one in a billion chances we want to be rich and successful. nothing wrong with that. it's the hypocrisy. i think that people ignored the hollywood hypocrisy and leo dicaprio makes $30 million for a movie and then der

hedonism and materialism.pe that i can remember really take on so strongly these issues. >> that's why he does seem to be a better voice for this period where basically people are making a sense with all the money they are creating. how we make that into a better world. giving tuesday is in that spirit. >> we want to make a turn now. we'll be joined by governor andrew cuomo of new york. he's here with an update on yesterday's deadly train derailment. governor cuomo can you give us the latest on the situation there and big picture state of metro north, the state of the tracks going in and out of new york city, what are your thoughts this morning and what needs to be done? >> good morning, mika. well, we're putting the trains back on track literally, the trains that were off track are being put on track. the ntsb has started an investigation last night. they recovered what's called the black boxes from the trains, the way there's a black box in an airplane, the train will have a black box which gives data on the