c-span: thucydides, hegel... >> guest: oh, thucydides, six. we got--we're heading down towards the bottom here. cicero--well, that's understandable. voltaire, calvin... c-span: and the--these names are mentioned... >> guest: oh, nietzsche--now that's a surprise. c-span: yeah, it's low. >> guest: hannah arendt, goethe, hobbes, montaigne--well, we'll get montaigne in there again. c-span: let's go back to locke--john locke. >> guest: yeah. c-span: he's number one, far and away, more than anybody else. >> guest: how interesting. well, locke, 17th century british philosopher, wrote a treatise of government--second treatise of government, the one we read, a small but incredibly densely woven pamphlet about the--the relationships of property, what constitutes a society. he creates this philosophical fiction of the state of nature--how do we get out of it--and so on. and a lot of it--a lot of our notions of the--what holds us together, property and mutual respect for one another's right to exist, and also our notion of rights that--very important for