this time in response to my conversation with heidi boghosian.here's the question -- just how comfortable are you with this constant invasion of privacy? when, if ever, is it justified. you can write me on facebook or at billmoyers.com. i'll see you there and i'll see you here, next time. >>> don't wait a week to get more moyers, visit billmoyers.com for exclusive blogs, essays and video features. this episode of "moyers & company" is available on dvd for $19.95. to order call 1-800-336-1917 or write to the address on your screen. funding is provided by carnegie corporation of new york. celebrating 100 years of philanthropy and committed to doing real and permanent good in the world. the coleberg foundation, independent fund with support from the partridge foundation a john and poly fund. the clemtss foundation, park foundation, dedicated to heightening public awareness of critical issues. herb albert foupedation, supporting organizations who mission is to promote compassion in our society. the bernard foundation john d. and katherine mcarthur fo

. >> next on booktv, heidi boghosian talks about the increasing surveillance of american citizens by the government and the dangers posed by this development. this is about an hour and 30 minutes. >> let me begin by reading the fourth amendment. it may not be as familiar as it should be to people, because it's really at the heart of the whole discussion. the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, ask no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized. it's very specific. it's very basic. it's rooted in english common law. and it had to do with unreasonable searches of the king, so it was even a limitation on the monarchy's power. it was very precious to the colonists. and one should remember when we talk about the founders, everybody always thinks, you know, particularly after 9/11 freedom is an indulgence, you know? if you're never attacked, of course, then you

." >> after my interview with heidi boghosian, author of "spying on democracy," i asked you if constantveillance, the invasion of our privacy, is ever justified. most of you responded like this woman. >> "if we aspire to be a democracy, with personal freedoms guaranteed to citizens in the constitution, then there is no justification for this egregious invasion." >> this viewer added. >> "i remember seeing dick cheney say on tv that since 9/11 the game had changed, and he seemed to imply that we, too, now had to become a police state. it looks as if we are well on our way." >> but others disagreed. >> "yes, it is justified in today's world. without it we would still be looking for the boston bombers, bin laden and a whole slew of other infamous ones. i say, yes, keep up the surveillance." >> and this. >> "i'm really not that interesting but if they need info on me i say go for it!" >> you can see a summary of all your comments online at billmoyers.com. and here's an update on my recent conversation with dean baker and yves smith about tpp, the trans pacific partnership. that's the top se

question is in the context of the work against this domain awareness center, alan attracted to you, heidi boghosian, what kind of citizen our residents organizing are you aware of around the country against the government of these kinds of anticrime and also in oakland's case, explicitly political surveillance, use of these technologies? >> what an important effort your undertaking locally. i am not aware of that much organizing around the country. i'm interested in that, so that's, i know the get a lot of grants and makes up threat assessments in order to justify that funding. i mean, individuals involved in it admit, our community applied for these grants, we had to fabricate. and i've a few examples of some the things they made up. they are ludicrous, laughable. so kudos to you, and i would be interested in -- i will try to find out what's happening more. thank you. >> i have three quick questions. one was, i read about the person from brazil talk about uniting with other countries throughout fiber optics and also the pipedream to route the outside the u.s. which would defeat the intelligence ga