heidi heitkamp you certainly see that in the dakotas. >> i think what's happening is people have brought into herd immunity as the only way to control it. it's not something you're going to get over until you get through it and they don't want to disrupt their lives. so sure, they know someone who's died, but they were old or they were this. what is really puzzling to me is that we are so willing to make old and disabled people kind of the victims here and then just accept it. and you're seeing that in these vote totals, in the behavior, especially in red states. they don't want to change their lives. they don't think that changing their lives will change the outcome of the coronavirus. >> heidi heitkamp, thanks very much. let's take loot look at the state of ohio right now. we've now got 85% of the vote in. donald trump appears to be pulling away. chris christie, that's what you were hearing from the state. >> it was. gop leadership said as this progressed he was going to open up a more substantial lead and i'm hearing the statement thing in north carolina that thom tillis is leading by

says heidi heitkamp is so far right, she was on trump's list within the mocratic party at the momentre is a discussion around whether to lean back into the ear in which tom vilsack was the secretary of agriculture and essentially continue the long betrayal of farmers, the democrats have been involved since before nafta. or whether to try a different candidate. the american federation of teachers and the food and commercial workers union came out recently in support of marcia fudge, the congresswoman from ohio's 11th district who offers a different kind of opportunity for the u.s. that is not about cleaving to the agribusiness monopolies that have bankrolled and supported the for a while, but rather we need a transformation in the way food is grown and to support the eating of food. most of the usda budget goes to things like snap. i think there is a fight and in the democratic party. heidi heitkamp, or should become secretary of agriculture, i think would signal the way in which biden and the biden administration is sticking to neoliberal as this as usual. amy: one of the issues you

emanuel, yvette simpson, chris christie here in the studio, also matthew dowd in austin, texas, heidi heitkamp in north dakota this morning. thank you all for joining us. rahm, let me begin with you. it took a while to get to the final result. it's not that -- four or five days. what's the big message from this election? >> well, i think a couple things at least on the presidential level. style is the substance in the sense that this was very much what biden said not only about my character versus the president, but the character of the country and the country was -- i kind back to grant park, 2008, that was jubilation. this is catharsis and in a sense that this is a relief from this darkness of attack and pitting. i think americans were ex-lawsoned by the constant pitting against us and they want washington a little distant in their lives, go back to your work. get our lives -- we'll get our lives in order, which is why so many were focused on the pandemic and the economy in a sense of being able to get back to some level of normalcy. i do think also the vice president is a bit of a restorati

. >> heidi heitkamp, joe biden if he becomes president, has to bri bridge your wing of the party with progressives and moderates, how does he do it? >> he'll focus on today's challenges, which is the pandemic. as much as joe has the relationship with the senate republicans, i think his base of bringing the country together is with the governors. they're experiencing this huge pandemic, this huge problem. they're in it with this president. i think there's a great way to build the kind of relationship they need to build to go into infrastructure and go into economic work. i think all of those actually fit within the progressive moderate. what we need to do doesn't have a label there. it has to be done to bring this country back to semblance of governing. >> i want to go back the georgia. gabriel sterling is holding a press conference now. >> we'll go over the details in the vote counts. there have been changes overnight and even changes from the time we walked into the front door of the office to the podium today. good to see everybody here this morning. we close in on a final tally. th

. >> leading off our discussion tonight, former democratic senator heidi heitkamp of north dakota. he's a cnbc contributor. and democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. he's a member of the house judiciary committee and the house intelligence committee. senator heitkamp, you know your republican colleagues, and that moment at the end -- and joe biden i think understands exactly what they're up to at the end, where when asked about their refusal to acknowledge his victory, all he had to say was "they will, they will." and you know they will. >> well, it is so important to have a relationship with the president when you want your bridge fixed, when you want your farmers taken care of, and he knows that. he's been there. but i want to point out something. words that you never heard at a trump press conference. how do i say this tactfully? you know -- >> yeah. >> just think about that. you know, joe biden stopping and thinking, how do i say this in a way that is respectful but communicates -- how do i say this tactfully, never words that have come out of donald trump's mouth

joining us now, senator heidi heitkamp, former u.s. senator and judd gregg former u.s. senator.happening there, whether biden is ahead or expected to go ahead in a couple of areas do you know what's still left in terms of whether it's urban areas or counties and michigan and wisconsin? do you know what the prospects are for them coming in, senator? >> it's unclear whether we have the recount. what's left in wisconsin is if the stuff is urban or it is early votes, which has trended definitely democrat. so i'm looking at these numbers and the gap has wyaidened sincea hour and a half ago. you have to feel good if you're biden. margin is such that it will be an automatic recall. michigan is definitely narrowing as well and a lot of that is the urban and suburban areas >> and i'm just wondering, is that -- does detroit still -- is it still left to be counted? do you know the logistics of what's happening now i don't know why i think you know you're not in that state you know why i think you can be a translator for michigan or wisconsin if people don't really understand. you basically

for homeland security, val demings of florida and susan rice and heidi heitkamp and bernie sanders isr labor secretary. so claire mccaskill, what do you think of those and what are you hearing? >> well, i think all of the people just named have something in common. excuse me. they're very qualified. joe biden is not going to pick anyone that he isn't really comfortable with. and that doesn't have a really solid resume. there's a couple of names on there that i think would be fantastic. i mean, obviously, pete buttigieg is one of the greatest communicators that i have ever seen. he is incredible in terms of communication, but linda thomas greenfield is an african-american diplomat who has a stellar reputation in the state department. here at the u.n. would send a real signal not just to the rest of the world, but to the coalition of voters that gave joe biden this landslide victory. i think all of -- i mean, in the back of their mind, they're looking at confirmation, how easily will confirmation be, how big of a fight will this be. i have to tell you that the sitting senators have a di