heidi stevens, some of you may know or she is a columnist and, writer and all around all around good person. and she said, great great. but she knew her daughter. but i guess the question is, if somebody says that they want to quit, isn't it a conversation? and delving into that, why. is very much it's not it seems it's a moment quitting right it is a moment those of you we've all quit something. so when you think there is that moment but but surrounding that moment, backing up that moment leading up to that moment is so much more i mean, i think of it also well, like with politicians, you know, when they will quit, things are not just politicians, people who are in leadership positions when they quit. there's always this idea of, well, quit. and it's always said with this kind umbrage like, yeah, they just couldn't hack it. and i just think that's so wrong, because many times what's leading to that, as you say, is, is conversation right. i mean, because you make the idea a criticism of a changing course, the process which i think is really important. it isn't like a flick on or a fl