former north dakota senator heidi heitkamp. and yale university senior associate dean jeff sonnenfeld. thank you very much for joining us. obviously rolling with this breaking news, senator heitkamp, i'm going to go to you. what is your reaction to this verdict and where do you think and how do you think this may play out over the next couple of weeks and months? >> well, the first thing to say is i don't think the defense did much to stop this verdict from happening. the president said he wanted to testify. i thought that was a really bad idea. but yet they didn't put on any witnesses. i think their best defense was that donald trump did not want this disclosed because he didn't want to disappoint his family or his wife. his wife never showed up in the courtroom. i think that hurt him. i think if his wife had come to the courtroom that that might have sent a message that this was about a family matter, that he was trying to protect his family. but i think the only reaction we know right now, brian, politically is that this is

she thankfully was not harmed, and heitkamp is safe. gio. >> gio: all right, janai. to the american woman arrested in the turks and caicos, a few rounds of ammunition were found in her luggage now telling her story as she is detained in the country. morgan norwood is following this, and this seems to be happening more and more. >> reporter: sharitta grier is the fifth american arrested for ammunition in their luggage all within recent months and since released, but she is still stuck on the island. this morning she says she is in shock and had no idea those bullets were in her bag. this morning, a florida mom speaking out for the first time after she was jailed on the islands of turks and caicos accused of bringing bullets in her luggage. sharitta grier talking with abc affiliate wftv. >> they searched the bag and said they found two rounds in the bottom of my duffel bag carry-on. >> reporter: grier was on her way home from a mother's day trip with her daughter last weekend when officials say they found two rounds of ammunition at the bottom of her suitcase. >> i did

co-chair at a company as an advisor and heidi heitkamp director of university of chicago's institute by both men who are running for president this time around. both president biden and president trump. so maybe we should just talk about whether tariffs are here to stay? mick, start with you. president trump had already put tariffs in place. president biden raising terrorists in some areas. what are your thoughts on the matter? >> the question is territory to stay, certainly more than a generation ago. the philosophy towards trade has changed in washington. one of the ways donald trump changed the republican party, and especially as vis-a-vis china. that's what you're see during this campaign. both of the major candidates trying to get harder and harder on china than the other. now that biden sort of raised the spectrum of tariffs on china, seen trump raising his expectations higher, they're going to fall over each other, who's toughest on china. i don't see that going away. few things right now, becky, bipartisan in washington, and views towards china is one of those things. >> look