my guest tonight author helaine olen. she's going to talk about her book "pound foolish" about the financial industry and how it's serving you perfectly. [laughter] let's begin with the president. as you may know barack obama is a student of history. he learned two things in particular from the greatest president in history abraham lincoln. one when putting together a cabinet you need assemble a team of rivals and two, you cannot kill a vampire with an axe. you need a built-in shotgun in that mother humper. lincoln the vampire. [ laughter ] [ laughter ] didn't take off like we thought it would. [ laughter ] but to the first point when it came time to choose a secretary of defense barack obama demonstrated lincoln-esque team rivalling by choosing former nebraska senator chuck haaag -- hagge -- hagel. [ laughter ] he is a republican. a two term senator, vietnam vet. he was a simple process away from achieving that relatively only minor as secretary of lincoln's legacy but still it was doing this having hagel or doing that a

they are just not getting us. >> host: helaine olen, thank you for writing this book. we appreciate it very much. >> guest: thank you, goodbye. >> we continue with a look at our financial industry discuss it the financial industry discussion. .. this is a risk to agriculture and were beginning to see the implications of that risk because we've had crops grow my student could not be harvested because there simply weren't enough hands to pick them. it is important and necessary that we have immigration reform, that we create a system in this country that understands and appreciates the importance of immigrant labor and respects that, that creates a comprehensive set of reforms that secures our border, that creates responsibilities on those here legally to pay a fine, pay back taxes, learn the language and created an opportunity for these folks to be here legitimately so they can provide the labor of work necessary for our producers so we in this country can cnu

. >> up next, on both tvs "after words," journalists helaine olen talks about the personal finance historyer book is "pound foolish: exposing the dark side of the personal finance industry" she sat down with russell wilds of good posts last month. >> host: helaine, i enjoyed your book weidner managed and i look forward to discussing it. it was a pleasurable read, very easy to read and i was caught a set title exposing the dark side of the personal finance industry, which later in the book you call the personal finance industry complex come which includes huddled investment tanks in brokers and planners, but the financial media. seminar theaters, newsletter publishers. through that includes yourself and not hunch is a former columnist for "the l.a. times." you get their money makeover column. you include yourself as part of this complex and point out with some guilt that you are responsible for giving people an illusion of control. you talk about that throughout the book. what do you mean by addition of control? >> guest: personal-finance starts in the 1930s with sylvia porter and it's a sp