between men's and women's earnings revealed by the list was being poured over to excess, with helen blamiresnot particularly. i mean, maybe i have a certain advantage to many, that i have not in here that long so i haven't become best friends with various of the people that i was reporting on. you are talking about people like huw edwards, that you have to end up working with, but you just try very, very hard. you come across a lots awkward situations injournalism, you just try very, very hard to think, how would i cover this as an organization if it wasn't the bbc, if i was somewhere else, and you try and do it straight down the line. you have, of course, come from newspapers, the independent in particular, has it affected how you view the row over bbc pay? i don't think it has affected how i view the row. basically i approach this as a hack, i do not appraoch this as a company man. it is a juicy story, it's fantastically gossipy and exciting details. at it's core, this is a story which is a list of names, a list of numbers and ifind it completely fascinating so as an old—fashioned hack, i