meanwhile, the other feminists were occupying helen gurley brown's offices and wanting the home magazineo be shut down. there is no way i could be taken into the women's movement. i was drummed out of it from the start. people who think she was made by feminism -- i was not made by betty. betty did not create jermaine greer in australia. she did not create me in upstate new york. it is about time people realize the transformations in women that happened erratically in the mid-20th century were not entirely due to the women's movement. susan: in the chapter, you not only talk about the more or less dumbing down of academia, but you also talk about the great rise in pornography as acceptable in our culture. what do you see as her role in that? clip: she talked in the you gave about feminism. i think that is one reason why a lot of political conservatives wasly like her because she a slashing enemy of the second wave feminists. it was wonderful to see her take them down and her line, she saw them as uptight. but i think that is a case where conservatives have thought the enemy of my enemy i