political correspondent kate brady she joins me tonight from here in berlin and across the pond helen humphrey joins me from washington d.c. to both of you welcome let me start with you berlin says no to washington has there been any reaction from the trumpet district. not as of yet brant and i wouldn't expect there to be any swift reaction for the simple reason that it's the idea of not dignifying that know from the slap in the face with a swift response just you know writing it off as small fry because i think at the end of the day there is now the sense here in washington that the united states will go ahead with it this naval mission where the burden is on board or whether berlin is not on board as we are now say seeing i think the problem for the german government may likely have been in terms of the wording the devil is in the detail i think for and that request from the united states because the united states called on berlin to secure shipping in the strait of hormuz but they also called on them to combat iranian aggression were of course then germany to give into that i'm essentially