helen whately says to you, wish we | helen whately says to you, wish we could _ helen whately says tocould loosen on children under 12 on rule of 65i~ — could loosen on children under 12 on rule of 651. and then she goes on an hour or— rule of 651. and then she goes on an hour or so _ rule of 651. and then she goes on an hour or so later to say it would make — hour or so later to say it would make such _ hour or so later to say it would make such a difference for families and there _ make such a difference for families and there isn't a robust rationale for it _ and there isn't a robust rationale for it she — and there isn't a robust rationale for it. she clearly doesn't agree with you — for it. she clearly doesn't agree with you about there being a robust rationale _ with you about there being a robust rationale for it. now is a really good _ rationale for it. now is a really good chance to show we have listened, _ good chance to show we have listened, lots of mps were pushing on this— listened, lots of mps were pushing on this during last week's debates, do you _ on this during last

aware at that time that helen whately and lots of mps, to - you aware at that time that helen whatelym the rule of six? or you aware — be exempt from the rule of six? or you aware of— be exempt from the rule of six? or you aware of that _ be exempt from the rule of six? or you aware of that at _ be exempt from the rule of six? or you aware of that at the _ be exempt from the rule of six? or you aware of that at the time? - ita it a great example of the kind of thinking, the kind of debate tae was going on, at, at a time when as everybody knows, and we have been discussing this extensively this morning, the r was going up and we were about to announce the tired system so the 11th of october, where we were days away from having to ask the country to go back in to parts of the country to go back into lockdown, and we are, the, so the last thing, to explain why it might have been a, a difficult for us to signal any kind of relex asian, —— relax aches to

we told mr keith yesterday that helen whately had come to the very firm view on or around the secondnt or inadequate, your words, and she was messaging about that. in early march, she also had concerns, she says in her statement about the inability to obtain timely and accurate data about covid—i9 deaths in the care home sector. in stark contrast to the data available in the health care setting. absolutely, yes.— in the health care setting. absolutely, yes. in the health care setting. absolutel , es. ~ ., ., absolutely, yes. what was done, if an hinu absolutely, yes. what was done, if anything in — absolutely, yes. what was done, if anything in early — absolutely, yes. what was done, if anything in early march _ absolutely, yes. what was done, if anything in early march to - absolutely, yes. what was done, if anything in early march to rectify i anything in early march to rectify this lack of data? we anything in early march to rectify this lack of data?— anything in early march to rectify this lack of data? we acted to try to make sure _ this lack of data? we acted to try to make su