now i'm joined by helga lent he is a member of the german parliament for the social democratic party. that is the party of former german chancellor. gerhard schroeder. oh good, good to see you again. so what is your opinion is gearhart schroeder has he become the biggest point of shame for your party in post war german history? well, i don't know if he's a love biggest, probably the most prominent, but i will remind you of mr. xerox scene and his race, his attitude and statements. so both are good, but he wasn't examples of shame. never he, when he wasn't just mother, he's no, he wasn't, but it doesn't make it better. and so it's, it's not a competition of shame. it's both in acceptable and he was the chancellor and i think it's very clear that it's morally and politically in acceptable should gearhart schroeder, should he sever all of his times to russia? yes. yes to i think it's important to see it's not just the question of ethics or moral. it's just simply also a political question. and he says he's a personal friend, but the moment has come and it came in the past to say, i laid