i know you guys have been talking about helios from 2005.classic example of a pressurizati pressurization issue where the crew didn't realize what was happening fast enough to deal with it. in that circumstance, the airplane just -- once the pilots passed out, kept going to its destination, athens, went into orbit at altitude, and it too crashed after it ran out of gas. the thing here is, with all of the radical maneuvers up front, and the obvious turn that had to occur to put it on this direct south heading, that argues for something else. and in terms of a fire, i've studied a lot of fire accidents. and literally every single one that has resulted in the airplane subsequently crashing after a known in-flight fire, it happens relatively quickly. because there's an awful lot of things if it's an electrical fire, for example, you can get arc temperatures and electrical short somewhere between 7,000 degrees fahrenheit and as much as 16,000 degrees fahrenheit. the electrical component of the fire acts as an ignition source for things around it.

the helios was on its way from cyprus to prague. it continued about three hours on autopilot until it finally ran out of fuel. it under on out the automatic oxygen system was not turned on, and the pilots never realized it. officials say all on board died of hypoxia, the lack of oxygen at the high altitude. could flight 370 have suffered a similar fate? joining us former navy s.e.a.l. and federal air marshal. one major difference is the helios pilots reported a problem before it really got into trouble. we didn't heat anything from the pilots on flight 370. >> that's exactly one of the most telling things. i've been going back and looking at with all this talk about the debris fields and things i've been analyzing the initials happenings that went on right before the plane started doing its erratic movements. it just appears that there may be some type of -- either a pilot takeover or other people coming in, because you have that relationship between the pilot and the first officer. this first officer is new, he comes in and he coul

. >> reporter: it happened with helios flight that flew on auto pilot before crashing outside athens in 2005. pilots forget to turn a pressurization switch from manual to auto. at 34,000 feet all 121 on board passed out and froze in their seats. so far we know the malaysian flight was flying for at least seven hours based on pings or signals emitted from the plane. he believes whatever took out the plane's transponder and communications systems, acars, was mechanical and could have also damaged the plane's electronic nerve center which among other things monitors the cabin's climate. >> that's where you have a decompression. it happens pretty quickly. in a minute or so. in the case of smoke, it could also be quite quick. the pilots have a greater oxygen supply than the passengers do, so they could have remained active for longer. but all of this could have taken no more than, say, ten minutes a t the most. >> skeptics say the zombie scenario is highly unlikely for the malaysian flight because of the behavior of the plane and the crew. >> you are changing altitudes because you're comi

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. >> helio. >> ralph peter told us that crimea is lost, do you agree? >> no. not at this point.esn't look good. my view is that the situation is fluid. there is a lot of things at play here and the obama administration which doesn't have a strategy and trying to give putin an offramp and an opportunity to back down gracefully. if he wants it, he would send in 30,000 troops. there is this is not over yet. it doesn't look good. and putten may be using crimea as a bargaining chip to get other things out of kiev. >> he wants greater protections for the ethnic russians and kiev obviously without saying it to look more to russia and protect russia's interest. crimea might be a bargaining chip. it is fluid leak i said. and i hold the obama administration responsible. >> and in the world of diplomacy. putin and president obama spoke for an hour. 90 minutes on saturday. what's going on. >> a lot of it is translation. >> what is going on, frankly that lasts that long? >> it is not like the conversation we are having and not free flowing and their staffs work out their talking points and a

>> we look at the helios cypriot aircraft, the 747, the captain will remember that incident where thelane did suffer a slow decompression, they didn't realize it effectively. the only person who survived -- well, didn't survive, was still awake was one of the flight attendants who got through to the cockpit but was unable to do anything about it. quick question for the captain if i may. captain, richard quest here. captain, with your experience and knowledge in the seat of the 777-200 and with what you've heard so far, what do you think happened? what happened at that point at 1:07 after they said, all right, good night? >> richard, i'd like to correct one thing. i was never a captain. i flew as a first officer in the right-hand seat. but after that transmission was made, then apparently the transponder was deactivated in some fashion. so it could be, of course, just a failure, a single point failure or it could be the result of something catastrophic happening to the aircraft or it could be that it was deliberately turned off. the fact that there was no contact with the next controll

he's with king felipe and belgium prime minister helio del rupe poe. later he'll be meeting the eu to discuss ukraine, russia and the crimea crisis. let's go to our correspondent matthew price who joins us outside the european union headquarters in brussels. this is quite significant now because the way in which this meeting and visit is happening is very different than what it would have been, say, three or four weeks ago had russia not annexed crimea. >> reporter: one of the items still at the top of their agenda is the continued negotiations for a transatlantic trade deal, an e.u.-u.s. trade deal to form the world's largest trading block. yet obviously ukraine dominating certainly the media coverage of these talks and probably also what goes on behind the scenes. certainly president obama's visit to nato headquarters this afternoon to talk to the nato secretary general will be closely watched because the u.s. has talked about the need to demonstrate tangibly to eastern european countries that nato is behind them, that the western alliance has got th

>> well, it certainly is in play right now and there's a better example, helios flying out of cypressy had a slow decompression. the passengers passed out. by the way, no cell phone calls and 2 1/2 hours later, jets intercepted. they look in the cockpit and they see a flight attendant flying the aircraft. now, i'm not saying that happened in malaysia, but that one fits -- that could be part of the puzzle and i know captain tillman will tell you, if you jerk back on the yoke on the kind of planes that he's flown, you disengage the autopilot. so those gyrations that the malaysian radar picked up -- i'm not saying it was a flight attendant but somebody trying to master aviation 101. besides, if you had a fire in that cockpit, you would lose most of your instruments like at swiss air. this fits some scenarios and we can't discount the fact that they had 400 pounds of ion lithium batteries on board. >> one of the frustrations is that there has been conflicts information coming from malaysian authorities. do you look at this new information with skepticism in terms of determining what it me

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i was reading the report last night of helios where there was a failure of the pressurization and the captain was asking questions of ground maintenance and was being told the switch is behind you. and the captain was making no sense whatsoever and the report actually says on the ground they wondered what on earth the captain was talking about. >> this was happening without his knowledge, he was losing it because he wasn't aware that the oxygen was coming out. >> so it's entirely possible that this was happening. >> this is a note of caution we want to keep reminding our viewers. thees are early stages piecing together evidence. you've investigated, you have been a pilot but also represented victims of crashes before where evidence is key and the investigation is key as into the cause. have you ever handled a case with this kind of mystery this far into the game? >> it wouldn't be a case of eight days into the game. you have to wait for the investigation to play out one way or the other whether it's our own investigation or certainly rely on the ntsb or the authorities. the problem ri

we've seen that happen with the helio crash and payne stewart crash and the people who flew with thetwo guys in the cocook cockpit and the ten flights prior. was there anything unusual about how they flew the airplane. that could help shed a little light at what we're talking about right now. >> making me realize how much we still don't know, pore than two weeks after the disappearance at pes point? >> in the u.s. we're used to an ntsb style template of releasing information. they have it honed down pretty well. they know how to run these investigations in a systemic way and a very -- there are protocols for how they release this information. what you have in malaysia is chaotic and incomplete frankly, and as a result, it just has fed a lot of speculation. so getting bet are, they've brought in some outside help and hopefully this will improve over time. >> are there times when reporters may get in the way of these processes? >> oh, yeah. we're nothing but trouble for them really. becau we cause a lot of trouble. our job and their job are diametrically opposed. we have different dead

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there's a better example of that and that was with a helios 737, they had a slow decompression and pilotsout along with the passengers and flight attendant, they have walk around oxygen bottles and masks went to the coke pitd and flew the aircraft until it ran out of gas two and a half hours later. we know 777 has a lot more fuel than the 737. and that scenario is certainly in play but there's a better one i call chiro gate, a egypt air 777 sitting at the gate in ki crow and thcairo that burned a n the fuselage. sitting on the ground. that's a problem. they got everybody off. the first officer got everybody off the plane. i'm not saying that's the exact scenario. but chris, it burned a hole in the fuselage. if that would have happened at 35,000 feet, we would have had a multiple emergency and i'm not sure any crew member or crew members could have handled that. and people talk about the gyrations, that's not an autopilot maneuver. there may well have been a flight attendant at the controls. this is all speculation. i'm not saying that's what happened. but it does fit some of the data. you

occur when perhaps in the case of the crew, they didn't have an oxygen turned on and in the case of helios over in greece, they had made a mistake in the way they set up their pressurization system. however, those kind of things at flight level, the aircraft, if the crew were in incapacitated, that aircraft would have continued on heading and on altitude to continue at $35,000. if we had a cree incapacitation. we don't appear to have that situation in that we have a transponder going off and then another direction in altitude. >> all right. robert mcintosh, thank you so much. >>> up next, new accusations today of government spying, this time senators allegedly under the microscope, and you know what, they are not so psyched about that? details as "the cycle" rolls on for this tuesday, march 11th. hi. it's not happening, honey. let her get it. she got her safe driving bonus check from allstate last week. and it's her treat. what about a tip? oh, here's one... get an allstate agent. nice! [ female announcer ] switch today and get two safe driving bonus checks a year for driving safely. only

so the ghost plane theory is there, and helios in 2005 did exactly that.ecame overcome. everybody was overcome except for one flight attendant who managed to get to the cockpit. they scrambled, in cyprus, this scrambled fighters. and the fighters actually watched the plane all the way to the ground. they watched the engines flame out. on both sides. then they watched it go into the mountainside. so was on auto pilot but an example what would have happened. >> martin savidge, if a plane runs out of fuel as is believed happened here, how does a plane this size enter the water? are there different scenarios? is it a glide down? one engine loses power before the next? >> reporter: right. these are things we've been trying to simulate. put it into like neutral if you will and we'll sort of show you. we can't shut the engines off. the simulator doesn't allow that. it would do all sorts of computer problems. but we have tried this. put the engines completely in neutral. take the plane off of auto pilot. and then you let go of the controls. the aircraft is designe

and in some previous ones, for example, in helios, they had entered a holding pattern and the plane continued do the holding pattern. the plane just continued to do that. and go around in the holding pattern. payne stewart it kept the last known heading. in both cases autopilot. in both cases the plane looked for its last instructions and followed them. >> that's the question. did it look for the last instructions? that's what -- she's just kind of -- >> well, in a way, it's looking for its last known instruction. if it heads to a waypoint and it says, hey, i've got nothing else in front of me, i'm just going to maintain the heading. i think the last point that was in there, assuming it's a diversionary airport that was put in or some other waypoint that brought you closer, whatever that last waypoint was and it sees nothing in front of it or another waypoint, it just will hold that heading. assuming the autopilot is on. >> in the autopilot, the original heading would be beijing? >> no. i'm saying the original heading to the diversionary airport. >> before the diversion what would be -- becau

if you look at it, you know, you have to look at the most likely scenario, and if you look at the heliosirlines 737 where the crew and the passengers became incapacitated due to hypoxia, you look at a payne stewart type accident where the airplane was still flyable and continued to fly for several hundred miles before it crashed, we could have a scenario where something happened at 35,000 feet, rendered the crew and passengers incapacitated, and the airplane flew in some direction until something either knocked it out of normal flight or the airplane ran out of gas somewhere and we just haven't found it. >> greg, thank you so much for your insight. again, a tragic story over the weekend. we really appreciate it. >> terrible. >> you're welcome. >>> we've got about 15 minutes to go into the close. the dow is off 42 points. the s&p only 2 points. bill, i just got to say for the cost of search and recovery and how important it is to our national -- international transportation system, with not invest in gps tech following for these snashth. >> maybe they will now. it takes something like thi