this is helmut knochen's office that helmut knochen had left in a hurry. you can see the polished boots. i don't think they're his. but you see the polished boots, et cetera. paris was liberated on the 25th of august 1944 by the 2nd -- french 2nd armored division and also let's not forget the 4th american infantry division that landed at utah beach. that's often forgotten. the french did not liberate themselves entirely by their fellow countrymen. in fact, 4th i.d. veterans from utah actually fought in the streets of paris to liberate it. not many french people will tell you that, or not many of them know that. by the 25th of august 1944 the jacksons were -- had been deported from france. they were exposed and betrayed and just two weeks before d-day in may of 1944 arrested by the french paramilitary police, the milise, taken to vichy south of paris, handed over to the french gestapo, knochen's men in the gestapo in the south of france, and then split up. toquette was taken to paris. she was deported on the 18th of august 1944. just literally a week before

that's the residence of helmut knochen, ss colonel helmut knochen. he's 37 years old here. he has a ph.d. in medieval english literature, speaks four languages, is a distinguished and brilliant journalist. he arrived on the 14th of june, 1940, in disguise as a military policeman because the seniorer have general because they did not these black bastards, as they called them, in paris. they'd seen what the gueestapo d done and they did not want men like this terrorizing or exerting undue influence. he is the nemesis of my book and i found him to be extremely interesting. he was involved in one of the great coups of counterintelligence during the early days of the second world war. winter of 1940 the jacksons were wealthy. they had a country home in enghien 20, miles north of paris. they had a very nice house. there's phillip on the right and sumner with a cigarette in his mouth. chain smoker, smoked all the time and they're cutting wood in the backyard. i actually went to the backyard about a year ago and they're cutting the wood because it's a very cold winter in paris. it

if they testified in a war crimes trial they'd point the finger like phillip sand & say it was helmut knochen. many were killed literally days before the end of the war because the s.s. did pt want them to point the finger. great question. >> to your far right. >> i'm interested in knowing how many other americans did he enable to escape, and also is this going to be a movie? >> i would love it to be a movie because i'm really tired of wright these books, you know? it doesn't have to be a big caribbean i lachbltd just a beach and a shack would be fine. and i'm not going to read another book ever. what was the better part of the question? i don't know. i could only find one documented. i interviewed him. he's alive in california. i managed to ask him enough questions to realize -- i asked him actually five times did you stay at 11 avenue foch. did you stay at 11 avenue foch. he because bit confused. and then i read his invasion report. so i don't know how many -- all you have to remember, for me the great challenge of this book and one i didn't really succeed in overcoming is that nothing was