hemingway is such an extraordinary character. difficult to imagine how anybody could live with the man! it does matter too though, that she fell in love with him in this. can you imagine the intensity of this situation, to be at war and it was such a noble war, and she was maybe coming alive for the first time to her life's purpose, and of course falling in love rather disastrously with a married man. she was coming awake to herself and also incredibly i think impressed by him, under those circumstances, the way that he taught her what a war was. she could not help herself. as the story progresses, i think we all recognise the way that you tell the tale, that it is doomed from the beginning. i think probably because they were too much alike, and everything that he admired about her from the very beginning, her conviction, her social conscience, her passion, her intensity, her independence, all of those things, once they later married in 1940, he was threatened by those things, because of course he wanted her to be his wife. and h

hemingway is such an extraordinary character.uld live with the man! it does matter too though, that she fell in love with him in this. can you imagine the intensity of this situation, to be at war and it was such a noble war, and she was maybe coming alive for the first time to her life's purpose, and of course falling in love rather disastrously with a married man. she was coming awake to herself and also incredibly i think impressed by him, under those circumstances, the way that he taught her what a war was. she could not help herself. as the story progresses, i think we all recognise the way that you tell the tale, that it is doomed from the beginning. i think probably because they were too much alike, and everything that he admired about her from the very beginning, her conviction, her social conscience, her passion, her intensity, her independence, all of those things, once they later married in 19a0, he was threatened by those things, because of course he wanted her to be his wife. and he wanted her in the end to be subser

hemingway is such an extraordinary character.s situation, to be at war and it was such a noble war, and she was maybe coming alive for the first time to her life's purpose, and of course falling in love rather disastrously with a married man. she was coming awake to herself and also incredibly i think impressed by him, under those circumstances, the way that he taught her what a war was. she could not help herself. as the story progresses, i think we all recognise the way that you tell the tale, that it is doomed from the beginning. i think probably because they were too much alike, and everything that he admired about her from the very beginning, her conviction, her social conscience, her passion, i think probably because they were too much alike, and everything that he admired about her from the very beginning, her conviction, her social conscience, her passion, her intensity, her independence, all of those things, once they later married in 1940, he was threatened by those things, because of course he wanted her to be his wife

mollie hemingway, gillian turner and richard fowler. the mainstream media are constantly accusing the president of lying. congress had to do it, it was the democrats' fault. then he did reverse it. was the criticism of his veracity on target? mollie: you saw this with obama and president trump. they claimed congress needed to do something. then when congress doesn't act, they do executive orders. another error was trump said it was democrats who brought us to this point. it's a bipartisan failure to do what needs to be done to have a sensible immigration policy. that doesn't change the fact that what's actually happening here, there has been a failure of media coverage. at the start of this they were saying children were being separated from parents willy-nilly. this is not about people' immigrating to the country, this is for crossing the border illegally. when they are caught they are separated. just a failure to accurately report this. one of the things you get from what you showed in the intro, everybody treats it as if'. the majori

mollie hemingway.nk goodness for your ability to cut through the crap like a hot knife through delicious butter. mollie: there is so much going on including andrew mccabe or someone close to him is leaking the memo he leaked before. thrieght media and it was an unauthorized leak. he's not the most of trustworthy individual. but it's interesting he wrote this memo and it's interesting they are aiming for an obstruction issue. this an acknowledgment the treasonous collusion issue is not panning out so well. donald trump keeps not obstructing the russia probe. when he made that tweet a year ago when he gave the interview to lester holt he specifically mentioned russia. he said he was frustrated that james comey was privately saying donald trump was not under investigation but publicly suggesting he was under investigation and he was frustrated with that j. edgar hoover approach to the fbi. he said he knew the probe would lobly be extended because of the firing, but he thought i'm was so bad for the americ

mollie hemingway, susan ferrechio, juan williams. thanks very much for joining us.f his wife has been vicious. is he right? more on jeff sessions justice department obtaining emails of investigative reporters. so, what's new? we just switched to geico and got more. more? they've been saving folks money for over 75 years. a company you can trust. geico even helped us with homeowners insurance. more sounds great. gotta love more... right, honey? yeah! geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more. howie: the justice department obtaining the phone records of a reporter. we go to larry sabato who runs the center for politics at the university of virginia. do you think the justice department went too far in seizing these rec? larry lahr larry * i think theyo to poor just like the bald administration did. we look look at with ther the government should be taking actions like this against reporters. howie: the obama justice department did a lot of this in terms of seizing records from journalists doing their jobs. but isn't the government justified in trying to stop the

, my guess is the american writer paula mclain whose novel love & ruin tells the story of ernest hemingwayartha gellhorn. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are owen bennett, deputy political editor at huffpostuk and the journalist and broadcaster penny smith. many of tomorrow's front pages are already in. the observer pictures the mackintosh building in glasgow destroyed by fire late on friday night. the paper leads on details of a £20 billion injection of extra cash for the nhs, expected to be unveiled by theresa may tomorrow. the mail on sunday also leads with the announcement claiming the timing comes as mrs may faces "intense pressure" on her leadership ahead of the eu withdrawal bill debate on wednesday. the sunday express says theresa may's announcement will be accompanied by a crackdown on nhs waste and inefficiency in a bid to ensure all the extra money is well spent. the sunday telegraph says the additional £384 million per week into the nhs after brexit exceeds the amount mooted by the official leave campaign. and, th

thirty's the world war one oh my god i don't think i knew about world war one his fields of poppies and hemingway novels so it's not surprising to me that the generation today doesn't know what happened vietnam has disappeared in america pretty we know it wasn't a good war for us i'm sure there are still five pages of textbooks but there was a period when universities all had special courses on the war but that was twenty thirty years ago you and i were too old buddy we're all people i'm a much younger yeah but you know look i know great here but you must have to. leave me but if we go. mentioned it the medium as still resonates the name of the judge with maybe historians of vietnam you tell in this book the story of trying to find sources and witnesses just describe what you go into that is why i just got a tip about it and you know i covered it's not as if i came from nothing i've been a police reporter in chicago and let me tell you about being a police reporter in one thousand nine hundred sixty wanted to go to go it was you learned a couple things you learned all about the weakness as my fir

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we can't talk to the designer wayne hemingway who co—founded hemingway designed.im now from chichester in west sussex via webcam. what are the wider implications? is this part of the slow, agonising death of the high street in the uk? not at all and i think first of all it is very important to look at the reasons for this and it is multifaceted and our choices to shop on the internet are affecting it. but also the public are not stupid, the retailers have to ask themselves how relevant are they? there are better things to do than go shopping for things that you don't need and we all know from having too many things in our wardrobes, cupboards, that we have been tempted in the past to buy things that we don't need. but i think we should be celebrating now that there is a new generation, the millennials and generation, the millennials and generation z that are realising that there are better things to do than just things that you don't really need. and we have also got to understand why they are doing that. i think it is partly a realisation that there are better th

mollie hemingway senior editor at "the federalist" and david catanese senior writer for "u.s.and world report." good to see awful you. so, steve today he says july 9th is a week from monday. we know because they have had this list for a long time. he has already interviewed some of these folks. that's kind of like rocket docket material to pick a justice in a week and a half. >> i think they are working back from the fall. mitch mcconnell made very clear he wants this done. president trump wants this done by october. justice seated by october conceivably i think it's a priority. mitch mcconnell has been planning for this moment for years. he has been working with the white house for years. he has cleared much of the senate schedule to address this and other judicial vacancies. we know this is mitch mcconnell's top priority. it's something that he has been looking at doing going back before the election of donald trump. so, i think donald trump is probably wise to move as quickly as he is going to move. and whatever mitch mcconnell can do to accelerate the senate schedule he ou

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thirty's world war one oh my god i don't think i knew about world war one his fields of poppies that hemingway novels so it's not surprising to me that the generation doesn't know what happened to me lies vietnam has disappeared in america pretty well you know it wasn't a good war for us i'm sure there's still five pages of textbooks but there was a period when universities all had special courses on the war but that was twenty thirty years ago you and i were too old buddy we're all people i'm a much younger yeah but you know when i. no grey here but you must think that i don't believe he but if we go. mentioned it the medium as it still resonates the name of the judge with maybe historians of vietnam you tell in this book the story of trying to find sources and witnesses just describe what you go into there and why i just got a tip about it and you know i covered it's not as if i came from nothing i've been a police reporter in chicago and let me tell you about being a police reporter in one thousand nine hundred sixty wanted to go to go it was you learned a couple things you learn all about

mollie hemingway, sara fischer and marie harf, former spokeswoman for the obama administration.owie: that scrum looked like an out of control kindergarten that needed a time out. the press saying the president was wrong when he said he was totally vindicated because the report didn't examine whether there was obstructioner. >> collusion with russia. mollie: this is focused on the hillary clinton email probe. but there is a lot. the same people investigated the hillary clinton email probe as the donald trump probe. you have people openly talking about breathtaking bias they of hillary clinton against donald trump. and pledging, promising they will prevent him from getting elected. at the same time they are ramping up this investigation. that is exonerating. one of his main arguments is the department of justice and fbi have had widespread problems with bias against him. howie: i think pro-hillary commentators must be happy. he sat on the anthony wiener emails for a month. marie: i think there is something for everyone in this i.g. report. these fbi officials do have text messages

let's talk about that and more with senior editor of the federalist molly hemingway, your initial reaction to what we heard at the hearing today? >> you brought up that comey might be in trouble for how he shared classified information, there were 7 memos of documenting interaction with donald trump, four classified emails and four were leaked to his friend richmond which means at least one of them contained classified information. that is against the law so he might be in legal jeopardy but i also -- the difference between how michael horowitz handled that hearing and fbi director ray, they kept talking how disconcerting he found his investigation to be, such widespread bad behavior, bad judgment, bad decision-making, director ray seemed to pooh-pooh the issues at the fbi suggest they were limited to a small group of people, sen. hatch said it might have been a small group of people but it included the fbi director, deputy director, lead investigator for the clinton and trump probe, these are not insignificant figures. >> sen. dianne feinstein, top democrat on the senate committee had thi

let me bring in senior editor at the federalist mollie hemingway. welcome back. >> great to be here with you. kennedy: let's talk a little bit about the people coming over. because after the president was elected we saw a sharp drop in apprehensions at the border. that was based on the perception that the president was going to make some changes in immigration policy and enforcement. and now we're seeing the separation of parents from children in some of these cases because of what members of the administration are calling a zero tolerance policy. what has the shift been. >> right. so in previous administrations and particularly under the obama administration, when someone illegally entered the country and only after being caught claimed that they were seeking asylum, they would essentially be let go. so they would be told, we're going to let you go right now. come back for a court date. and it became a thing that was an incentive structure for people to cross the border illegally with children. they knew if they got caught there was a loo loophole

the federalists molly hemingway on the significance of today. molly? >> when you read through this report and we're spending more time with it and understand the significance, it's technically about the hillary clinton e-mail problem but totally related to the russia probe as well. one of the things the i.g. look at, you have broad discretion when you're in the fbi. in the clinton e-mail problem, every time there was a fork in the road, they went easy on hillary clinton and her associates, whether that's declining to ring people up on false statement charges even though that knew it and that goes all the way up to hillary clinton or giving immunity to everybody in her orbit. they just went easy on her. and then you look at the russia probe, people are rung up hard for everything that they're doing. both of those things might be what the fbi is allowed to do but the lack of consistency is what is telling. >> neil: there must have been 700 people questioning this guy today but they argue that it cost hillary clinton the election, the bias or whatever, ne

joining me here at shinnecock hills, jim hammer, melissa francis, and in washington, mollie hemingway, and in new york, bill mcgovern, main street columnist for the wall street during your "the wall street journal." so that happened during your hour and continued into your hour. how about your insight? >> i thought it was remarkable. it was my sense, when he became president, that he was the one who is going to run as communications department, that he was going to be his press secretary, not literally but figuratively as commander in chief. and mueller sort of took that bag club out of his bag, so to speak. with the economy moving the way it is, i think with the singapore senate behind him and the ig report, and, i believe he would much rather hold a press conference once a week if his lawyers up to this point had allowed it. >> bret: molly, there is a lot of low-hanging fruit in this ig report if you are a trump supporter. i have people who said they were disappointed with the characterization, that it was a nothing burger from the start. >> i haven't read all 158 pages. chuck schum

a run-down-looking takeout about two hours' drive out of charleston in hemingway, south carolina.i was 11. >> sean: that's crazy. >> rodney: i grew up doing this. my family started in 1972, so i grew up running around this place. >> anthony: it's hard. >> rodney: it is. >> sean: that's why no one does it, man. that's why there's nothing but bad barbecue 'cause in my opinion the only true way to make barbecue is the burned barrel and the pits and you gotta stay up all night. >> rodney: all night. >> anthony: rodney scott, a man sought after all over the world for some of the finest whole hog barbecue there is. rodney and his family have been doing it like this and only like this for 43 years. burn barrel, fresh coals, slow, slow, slow-cooked all night in the pit. there are no shortcuts. this ain't a craft, this is a calling. look at that. >> rodney: yes. >> anthony: oh, man. >> rodney: got to have a little bit of white bread with it. >> anthony: yeah, at least no doubt. see this is what everybody always gets wrong in new york. you serve cornbread with barbecue? which of course fall

mollie hemingway, seen in her editor at "the federalist." national clinical correspondent at national public radio and tom rogan, cometary rater for "washington examiner"" i think we are very anxious with the inspector general report and we were told it would, in january, march, april, may, june. still waiting. we should have appropriate expectations about what will be in that report. obviously it's taking longer because they are finding where they need to cover and i'm sure they'll be a lot of salacious and interesting details as were alre wregao andrew mccabe when they detailed just one instance of him leaking to the media and the lying under oath he did. that was the number two at the fbi feud. people should be aware the inspector general cannot compel testimony from anyone outside the agency. many people have left either by being fired or otherwise leaving. it's important we have other independent people are able to investigate, such as congress, which is an agency that has subpoenaed information from the department of justice have been

mollie hemingway, senior editor at "the federalist." like this is coming to a head. >> it's been confusing because this was a policy that was meant as a deterrent and described as a deterrent by jeff sessions and others. don't bring your kids here because you're going to get separated from them if you cross illegally. but it turns out i think president trump wants credit for being tough on immigration. today he says we don't want our country to turn into a migrant camp or a holding pen for refugees. but he doesn't want to take her spots ability for the unpopular part of the policy which is the separation of kids from their mothers. so he is blaming the democrats. >> it's been talked of a deterrent in parts because of what happened. in previous administrations come on people cross the border illegally and claimed after they were caught they were asylum-seekers, they would be let go and asked to report back at a later date. people figured out it was a good way to get into the country. he would be able to pass through if you brought childr

. >> tucker: mollie hemingway is a senior editor at the federalist and she joins us now.us this is the nomination of a right wing extremist. does he know who is getting the nomination? i hadn't heard of. >> we do not know who is getting the nomination although we do have a list of potential nominees from president trump. what that speaks to his people have a life interest in the supreme court because the supreme court itself has so much power and has done so much in recent decades to really push issues even over and against the way that the people have voted. and particularly when it comes to liberal social activism. we seen a tremendous push by the court to overturn what people have voted on, and the supreme court has in many ways too much power when the resignation of one person can cause so much anxiety by people on both left and right. >> tucker: that's exactly right. it is not a healthy democracy when the democratic institution has the most power. but how can you denounce someone as a right wing extremist when you know who that person is? is that a little weird? was

mollie hemingway of the federalist. more eliasson from national public radio. of the "washington examiner." byron, your thoughts about the summit and that agreement that we just showed that president trump and kim jong un signed? >> i think the most reasonable assessment you can make it it is that we don't know if it's going to work out or not. in the joint agreement that the two leaders released, kim pledged committo denuclearization but previous leaders have pledged the same thing i'm not done it, so you can't say. there are also other issues. talk about the u.s. military exercises, whether that's really a big concessionr not since m cotton earlier on this program said the next big military exercise is next spring. so if kim is operating in bad faith, we will certainly know that by then. my sense was it's a net plus because of the relationship between the two leaders and what has been said, but you just don't know what's going to happen. >> chris: i want to pick up, mara, on byron's first point because kim in the joint denuclearization.ed to that's the quote.

mollie hemingway, senior editor at the federalist and charles lane, opinion writer for "the washingtonsignificant ruling today? >> it was. this was all we were talking about in the first few months of the trump administration and it should have been a slam dunk for white house and the fact that it is not -- it was not is really amazing. john roberts is correct. it was clearly within the scope of the president's constitutional powers and the biggest argument against it was that even though it was a legitimate presidential power, that this president donald trump had exercised it with impure motive and you had a situation in which an executive order word for word if signed by another president would have been constitutional and yet since it was signed by donald trump with his history of anti-muslim statements it was therefore unconstitutional. that would have been a crazy legal area to go into in the court. it's a relief relay that the court did not do that. >> chief justice roberts specifically addressed the issue of whether it was a religious test are not pointing out that it covered on

. >> i take hemingway very seriously.anish civil war and said you could see in pablo, one of his colleagues he saw the sadness in his eyes and he said this guy is going to flip, he's going to betray us and he did. i think he did. i haven't gotten to the end of the book yet. >> i saw a guy who had a very good congressional fixer lawyer and now switched to a lawyer who speciazes in the united states attorney's office in the southern district and i see a guy dissed and disrespected by the president. that is a recipe for flipping. to me, it's only a matter of time. that's why i think we won't see the indictments before september. there's too many.little pieces to fall. people who haven't been interviewed, that's interesting for court watchers. if you look at the investigation, some people haven't been interviewed and those people have a problem. >> this comes amid new reports on the threat that russia poes to our elections. the continued threat. politico reports democratic and republican lawmakers report the trump administrat

steve hayes, mollie hemingway, senior editor at the federalist and elie, columnist for bloomberg review reaction, molly, on capitol hill. some positive, some republican saying -- others saying they are concerned that things are still on the table and to hear the world reacting that maybe kim got everything he wanted. >> a lot of claims that kim got everything he wanted. the fact is we really don't know what will come out of this deal. we have a late framework. all of it will be worked out in the details. we will need to see substantive talks. we will need to move quickly but it could actually take many months, many years to achieve what we need to see. it's a good start and at worst it's a neutral. at best it's a very good start, but we have to work out a lot of particulars. >> bret: what struck in that intervie ucby the president saying he wants to get u.s. troops home, which i think the north koreans have been asking for for a long time, looks to be a concession. i was also struck by his answer, or probably better phrased as nonanswer on human rights. you pressed him on it twice. the

senior editor of the federalist and fox news contributor mollie hemingway.ere told the report could come out in the beginning of the year. various dates in spring and now june. we still don't know when it is coming. how crazy are things at the department of justice that new things keep getting added to this probe and it keeps delaying finding out exactly what was happening with how the fbi handled the clinton email probe handling part of the trump probe. brian: i understand the department of justice and fbi both got drafts of this in mid may. we also understand that the final analysis is about 500 pages. doesn't this seem huge to you? >> well, yes and no. iif yourecall. they already released a portion of the report dealing with andrew mccabe. that was just one of the times he leaked and lied about it is that was quite a few pages. many dozens of pages. i'm not sure 500 pages is all that long given how many problems we have seen coming out of the department of justice and how many answers seeking about how they handle politicized probe. brian: part of the rea

mollie hemingway, senior editor at the federal list.es ellayna, shannon bream fox news anchor at night. i have got to apologize, folks, i'm barely holding it together. who would like to start off with their memories of charles. >> one of great gifts of my 20-plus years here at fox news channel was to become his friend. of course like a lot of his friends we start out as ideological adversaries. we each had a unique ideological odd odyssey. he a liberal who became a conservative and i as a conservative who became a libertarian. i had the foolishness to challenge him in chess. i never beat him but they were very, very instructive. he would even correct my moves before he clobbered them. we spent a lot of time splitting theological call hairs. literally theological hairs. he knew aquinas. the principle artic could you later of catholic theology better than i did. i studied it formally. he just had such a powerful intellect and he was such a sweet and wonderful man all the time i was with him. whether we were agreeing or disagreeing. whethe

fortunately, the federal senior editor molly hemingway keeps track of this and on every little detail and current. what changed this week? if you had to look back at the strzok stuff and back and forth, you know, what would you say we've learned or advanced? >> well, you've heard for quite some time a few voices in both the house and the senate expressing extreme frustration at the department of justice, policy of slow walking every single request for information that's come out of these committees. what happened this week, it started to get much bigger. you have the sense of the house resolution where they're telling the department of justice they have one week to comply with some of these information requests and you see just, it's not just one committee here or one committee there, it's starting to be all the committees that perform oversight of department of justice are experiencing this frustrating thing where they slow walk every request for information. they claim they don't know what's going on. they claim they were uninvolved in various decisions when really, congress is just

i understand 500 pages mollie hemingway on yesterday saying listen, it's 500 pages.se, they are scrubbing it and redacting it dough digenova was on this channel yesterday to talk about what his worry is. >> rod rosenstein is a careerist. he believes in the department of justice and the fbi to the exclusion of any accusations of fault. what's happening right now is that the ig report is being scrubbed by rosenstein and his minions and people at the fbi and they are removing as much elm bare racing information about the bureau as possible. and unfortunately, it's going to delay the release of the report and perhaps put it out during the singapore summit. steve: well, now, keep in mind, rod rosenstein, he is the guy who is essentially running the mueller probably. so, wouldn't that be curious if he, at the same time, if this were true, if joe is right, and he and his minions at the department of justice are trying to make the department of justice and the fbi look good, that's really bad. and it's not just me that feels that way. judge napolitano does, too. >> if he giv

molly hemingway, senior editor with the federalist, fox news contributor.do we now know by michael horowitz's comments to those questions? >> one of the interesting things when that ig report came out a lot of people wanted to spin it saying they didn't have a problem with bias in the fbi. in yesterday's testimony and in the day before in the senate the inspector general michael horowitz repeatedly talked about the problems posed by the brazen and extreme bias some of the key agents in the clinton email probe, which happened to be the same agents involved in the russia probe exhibited. while it might not have posed too much of a problem with the clinton email probe, while he couldn't determine whether their bias in favor of hillary clinton actually impacted their decisions, he was reticent to say that when it got to the russia probe. that is under investigation now. he specifically said bias was problematic for the russia probe. that is interesting. >> if you read the 500 pages executive review, fbi agent two. we find out two names yesterday worth pursuing.

let's talk to fox news contributor and senior editor for the federalist, molly hemingway, down in d.c similar result getting kim jong-un in the same room with them? >> these are two very different situations not just because north korea has the nuclear capabilities and iran does not have yet the same level of capabilities, there are two very different regimes. both brutal, both authoritarian, with idealogical motivation somewhat scarier. they're both really scary regimes. the problem with the iranian deal was not the deal to keep nuclear proliferation from happening, it is that the deal was not transparent. the american people never knew what they signed on to and it was never ratified by the senate. a lot president trump can learn from the failures of the iran deal to make sure we have a better deal with north korea. steve: the iran deal didn't become treaty there were not enough people in the u.s. senate, to say, yeah, that is a great idea. >> right. to his, in his defense, maybe if president obama had actually sold the case to the american people they would have gotten on board. he