and when you're from hemloch, lovonia is the big apple. i got to know him before the new york court of appeals building was reconfigured. at the time we were the new kids on the block and on the third floor and the big shots, the important judges, the other five were on the second floor. we were up there on the third floor and i got to know him pretty well. and not only was he a great judge, saged, wise, hard-working, scholarly, but he left me with one thing i'll share with you that has resinated with me for a long, long time. every once in a while he'd say this maybe once a year or twice a year as we were going around the table, each of us giving our impression of a particular case, giving our input, seeing whether we agree and how the court breaks down and so forth. and once in a while it would sort of hesitate and one of us would say, what is it? and he would say i'm thinking about the people in the lavonia post office. and i said what do you mean by that? and he did not mean that he's going to hold up his finger to the wind and see wha