he's hendrik hertzberg, this is "overheard." [applause]. >> actually, there are not two sides to every issue. >> so i guess we can't fire him now. >> i guess we can't fire him now. the night that i win the emmy. >> being on the supreme court was an improbable dream. >> it's hard work and it's controversial. >> without information, there is no freedom. and it's journalists who provide that information. >> window rolls down and this guy says, hey, he goes to 11:00. [laughter]. >> rick hertzberg, welcome. >> great to be here. >> nice to see you again, and for no particular reason except just to talk politics, which i love to do. >> the oh, i'm ready for that. >> and especially with you. so let's start with the president. let's start high up on the chain here. you wrote a book after the 2008 campaign. it was a collection of essays, in fact, published a book called "obamanos: the birth of a new political era." has it turned out in the intervening years as you expected it would given your thoughts about him back then? >> well not real

he's hendrik hertzberg, this is "overheard." [appla