recognizable like hugh hendrie, jeremy, not just david rosenburg and more.too, what the perma-bears have been saying. they're saying that they could see a correction now in two or three year's time and they say that the s&p advancing 18% and bank of america out now with a new report saying the s&p up another 18% at 2014. and so, these guys, jeremy grantham-- >> that's a turn around liz: that's a turn around and jeremy grantham is going to see what is difficult to see beyond a severe economic shock, what will look at the fed's intervention and pushing in the market. >> that's interesting news, they're right. the question, what happens to malls if force like j.c. penney and sears close up shop and with this ongoing revolution of on-line shopping? what happens to the mall? what will the mall look like in the future? bill harris is still here and he will answer the question. ♪ you better not shout, you better not cry♪ ♪ you better not pout i'm telling you why, santa claus is coming to town♪ ♪ santa claus is coming to town♪ clients are always learning more to mak