working with another firm that in terms of his -- another firm is houston and hennigan. does all this matter for you, the stock investor? i would just say just been my sort of experience covering this stuff, when you see sort of lawyers coming in and out and in and out, you've got to start worrying about the regulatory cases. it becomes, there's a lack of clarity on how to approach them. it may mean the regulators on the other side might be turning the screws even more and the guy at the top is getting nervous. i would just pay attention to this. some of this stuff sounds like, you know, word salad, who the hell cares whether it's hueston and hennigan. liz: or dewey cheatham and howe. i'm kidding. >> there's another one which i won't use. i'm just saying, it sounds like word salad but it's not. this is an issue for the stock. the stock, based on what type of deal they craft with the regulators on both the s.e.c. case, on what he put out in terms of the model t production numbers and the other one really does matter. liz: charlie, we are watching the stock here, down five