. >> just to understand the problem, whoever is henry anderson jones? from national. he would get money from the people who are running from office to take that money had promised touche delivered from the up for black ward. it is unjust on election day. but if somebody in your family is sick you might get somebody to come see them. their put in jail if you cannot take care of them. they have to vote this requires absentee ballot -- balance or having someone in the clerk's office for those who were doing it end getting something from the campaign. >> doing what they say. invaded the same thing for another community so generally this is a kind of thing that he did that is pretty common all over. >> and older woman from chicago civic she started to have raffled not saying they had to vote in particular but in the last election in chicago where the governor got elected and then one people to get out and vote. so what they offered was the idea if you have now voted sticker you can purchase a page in the raffle. but in chicago that you are not supposed to do that. and then

. >> host: just so people understand the problem, tell us about, you talk -- who is henry anderson jones? in nashville, jelly jones had a barbecue joint and what he did was he would get money from the people who are running from office, that are campaigning he would take that money and he would promise to deliver to them on election day, about 300 votes for each of the candidates from the poor black ward. in south nashville. what he would do is he would take care of people all year long, that's what they do they take care of you on election day but also someone in the family sick or you can afford to take him to the dr. or whatever, they might get someone to come see you work give you something, if someone gets put in jail, so so good jelly to care of his people. because he took care of them, they had to vote and go vote. all of this required either using absentee ballots which you collect from the kurt clerk and paid or having someone in the clerk's office who is in cahoots with the person who is doing it and is getting something from the campaign. >> host: that's just to verify that th

. >> host: just so people understand the problem, tell us about who is henry anderson jones? good jelly? >> that is good jelly. in nashville good jelly jones had a bbq joint and what good jelly did is he would get money from the people running for office. local campaigns. and take that money and he promised to deliver to them on election day up to about 300 votes for each one of the candidates from the poor, black ward of south nashville. what he would do is he would take care of people all year long. that is what ward bosses do. they don't just take a view on election day but they give you something. if someone in the family is sick and you cannot afford to take them to the doctor they might get somebody to come see them or give you something. if somebody is put in jail and you cannot make bail they will help. good jelly took care of his people. and because they took care of him they had to turnout and vote. all of this requires either using absentee ballots which you collect from the clerk and take and sign or having someone in the clerk's office who was in cahoots to the pe