henry clay folger was born this brooklyn in the 1830s to middle class family are. his father was a miller in supplier -- milliner supplier. he went to amherst college, and while he was at school, his father's business went bankrupt, and he moved back to new york city, enrolled in city college of new york which was tuition-free at the time, and because a friend that he had gone to school with said, no, no, henry, you have to finish at ham herself, he was able -- amherst, he was able to get a loan that enabled him to go back. the man who arranged the loan for him later became his mentor and employer, charles pratt. and i'll talk a little more about him later. he appears as a character a little bit later on as does his son, charlie pratt, who ends up being one of henry's lifelong friends, not at least in part because he introduced him to his wife. so henry finishes amherst, moves back to brooklyn, enrolls in night school at columbia for law school and goes to work as a clerk in the pratt oil company. the pratt oil company in brooklyn is then taken over by standard oil

united with the interests of henry clay frick, the company expanded the homestead works to fulfill a huge naval armor contract prior to the confrontation to take final control over the union there in 1892. the 1890's also saw an acceleration of the process that occurred during the post-civil war generation. there had been conversion of the military legacy of the civil war to reconciliation of the blue , for the mutuality of valor, and the commonality of sacrifice. during that same era, the design of the lincoln memorial and its placement and juxtaposition signaled the same message. submerged had been the twins story of emancipation that accompanied the military victory, as both one of its causes and one of its fruits. there was a loss of black voting segregation established by the supreme court via plessy versus ferguson. the election of william mckinley in 1896 was an important watershed in american politics. it was the last of a series of presidential elections in which a veteran of the union victory figured. he won the election, at least in part, based on a platform that claimed n

henry clay is no evangelical. his reputation was anything but. he makes an important point that resonated with people. if we bring some evangelicals to -- evangelicals from the 19th century to this point in time they would look and ask how is it that your faith, what you believe is impacting how you are looking at issues? why isn't the church a major player in the conversation? how is it that what you believe allows you to arrive at the position you have come to with regard to anything you have chosen. they weren't pursuing a governmental solution. they were trying to solve them on their own. they would probably react to that. more importantly, what is it the bible teaches that allows you to arrive at this conclusion? i think there would be some questions. >> this is not anything that is easy to do but he used the example of prohibition. one of the things historical literature talks about, what a glorious failure that was. if you look at the evidence of american drink, and the social and physical ills, that was an obvious target. i think that tel

henry clay, a senator from if the pastorsid can get together, how can you expect politicians to get along? significant henry point. clay is no evangelical. his reputation was anything but. but he makes an important point that resonated with people. it seems to me if we were to bring some evangelicals from the 19th century to this point in time they would look and ask how is it that your faith, what you believe is impacting how you are looking at issues? first of all, why isn't the church a major player in the societal conversation? second of all, how is that what you believe allows you to arrive at the position you have come to with regard to whatever political issue you want to choose. they weren't pursuing a governmental solution. they were trying to solve them on their own as private institutions. he did a good job of explaining how that transitioned to government. they would probably react to that. more importantly, they would ask what is it the bible teaches , that allows you to arrive at this conclusion? i think there would be some questions. >> very interesting. >> this is not anyt

supposed corrupt bargain that took place in order to to get john quincy adams elected was with henry clayas -- you know a xries sis moment. people were outraged more when supreme court decided for george bush so national public survived and continue so it gives hope for people read this in pattern is okay okay it's going to be okay regardless of who is elected and that's for some regard lis of donald trump is president or others who are so opposed to hillary clinton can in the idea that country has been able to work its way out in the past. but i think what it says about the vote voters is basically that passion is always there and always ruling what's happening. this isn't an act of reason. voting is not an act of reason. [laughter] and that's what leads to that unpredictability because it analyzes in a way that seems logical but voteers behave in ways with more to do with internal humor necessarily than what's going on in their brain. >> combination of afl a lot of this you mentioned how elections are opportunity to put people to feel like they can have an impact on -- what the power st

use it as the epigraph for the book, where benjamin harrison went down, grover cleveland won, and henry clayrick wrote a telegram to andrew carnegie, who was like on vacation in scotland or something, and he was like -- he told him the news. he's like, "harrison lost, cleveland is in," and carnegie wrote back -- i don't remember the exact words, but he's like, "well, that's okay. that doesn't matter." you know, "i'm sorry about, you know, benjamin harrison. that's too bad for him, but there's no difference. it doesn't make any difference to us." and that was the system back then. i mean, i think it's different now. i think that there really is a difference between the two parties, and i think it's the sociological one that i'm talking about, and what i mean by that is that there's two hierarchies in this country, two -- well, there's more than two, but there's two main hierarchies of power in this country. one is a hierarchy of money, business -- republicans, koch brothers. and the other is this hierarchy of status that i'm describing with these, you know, professionalism, and they've really

that was suppose it bargain that took place in order to get john quincy adams elected was with henry claywas, you know, a crisis moment, i mean, people were absolutely outraged. host: mainly because it had never happened before. guest: yes and more outrage than say when the supreme court decided for george bush and bush v gore. you know, the nation survived and continued and so it gives people hope who read this and think like well that if the patterns are the same they know kale will be regardless of who is elected and for some people that means regardless if donald trump is the president or for others who are so opposed to hillary clinton can find soulless and that i did that the country has been able to work its way out the past, but i think what it says about the voters is that basically the passions are always there and always ruling what's happening. this is not an active freezing. voting is not an active reason and that's what leads to an critic to build a because we kind of always have to analyze it anyway that seems a logical, but voters paid in ways that has more to do with thei

that marker reads: "general andrew jackson and henry clay spoke from this slave blockduring the yeari want you to think about this. consider what this artifact tells us about history, about how it's told, and about what can be cast aside. on a stone where day after day, for years, men and women were torn from their spouse or their child, shackled and bound, and bought and sold, and bid like cattle; on a stone worn down by the tragedy of over a thousand bare feet -- for a long time, the only thing we considered important, the singular thing we once chose to commemorate as "history" with a plaque were the unmemorable speeches of two powerful men. and that block, i think, explains why this museum is so necessary. because that same object reframed, put in context, tells us so much more. , tells us so much more. as americans, we rightfully pass on the tails of the giant who whot this -- the giants built this country, who led armies into battle, who waged seminole debates in the halls of congress and the corridor's of of power.orridors but too often we have ignored or forgot the stories of

felt like that election was stolen from him by the speaker of the house, henry clay.fought that out for four years until jackson came back and won four years later. i don't think anybody was very popular after that election. that is one that comes to mind. host: harold, your follow up? caller: what does he think about the federal civil lawsuit filed in civil court against the sheriff's department for engaging in state-sponsored terrorism? guest: i have no knowledge about that. not familiar with it. can donald trump win the presidency without north carolina? i don't know, but that's i going to happen. donald trump is going to win north carolina. it will be close, we will win. we will return patrick rory and a great member, chairman richard burr back to the u.s. senate. north carolina is going to stay read. maybe not by a lot, but by enough. host: columbus, georgia, on the line for others. hello. mrs. miller? go ahead, you are on. caller: ok. host: you are on, go ahead, please. caller: good morning, c-span. mr. woodhouse, i have a question. we hear a lot about immigrati

their basic premise is you've got to blow it up, and that's what donald -- so henry clay than, you talk about her proposals. they are primarily as barack obama argues, building on what he has already done. she really can't position herself as an agent of change can do what you to do and unsuccessfully and donald trump has certainly helped is just reminded people of what they find unacceptable about donald trump. >> the reason this cannot be a change election is because you have the right track wrong track number which suggested is commend your president obama's approval number which is about 53, 54% which as it is in the argument for continuity and actually appeal to people about a third or more of the people who say wrong track are actually democrats or that the republicans so we are divided. so that's why i think it's a mistake just to see that as a change election. >> one thing i would also add is that underpinning a lot of these, and he goes back to peter's original point, the country is divided partisanly. it is polarized. in some ways it's reflecting that good people gone back to

felt like that election was stolen from him by the speaker of the house, henry clay. they fought that out for four years until jackson came back and won four years later. i don't think anybody was very popular after that election. that is one that comes to mind. host: harold, your follow up? caller: what does he think about the federal civil lawsuit filed in civil court against the sheriff's department for engaging in state-sponsored terrorism? guest: i have no knowledge about that. not familiar with it. can donald trump win the presidency without north carolina? i don't know, but that's i going to happen. donald trump is going to win north carolina. it will be close, we will win. we will return patrick rory and a great member, chairman richard burr back to the u.s. senate. north carolina is going to stay read. maybe not by a lot, but by enough. host: columbus, georgia, on the line for others. hello. mrs. miller? go ahead, you are on. caller: ok. host: you are on, go ahead, please. caller: good morning, c-span. mr. woodhouse, i have a question. we hear a lot about imm

. >> edsel ford had henry ford and your father, william clay ford. >> and another son and another daughter. >> your father was in the copy for many years, but your uncle henry ford was the ceo for many years. you're at fort for a while and you decide to get a masters degree, but you went to the sloan school, which is named after the head of general motors. >> yeah, i know. it gets pretty incestuous at some point. >> do people point that out? >> all the time when i was at sloan. i do separate bathroom, by the way. [laughter] >> so after you went -- you graduated, you went back to ford and euros up in various positions. was it obvious to you you would rise up to the top? >> no. i thought i could do it, but there was no guarantees. there were many people there who wanted me to succeed of many people who did not want the family to succeed. and then there was this notion that my values did not always align with the top management's values. i went through this period of whether this was the right place for me to try and leave my mark in the world. >> your values being very proenvironment. >> yes

. >> edsel ford had henry ford and your father william clay ford. >> and then another son and daughter. >> your father was in the company for many years but your uncle it was ceo for a number of years? >> right. >> after at ford for a while, you decide to get a master's degree but you went the sloan school which is named after the head of general motors. [laughter] >> yes. >> so people point that out because that was unusual? >> that was pointed out all of the time. i had a separate bathroom, by the way. [laughter] >> after you went to -- you graduated from there, you went back to ford and you rose various positions, but was it obvious to you that you would rise up to the top? >> no, i thought i could do it. there were no guaranties, there were many people there who wanted me to succeed, there were many there that didn't want the family to succeed and the notion that my values didn't always align with the top management's values so i went through this whole period whether or not this is the right place for me to try and leave my mark in the world. >> your value is being proenvironment.

david: edsel ford had henry ford and your father, william clay ford. mr. : and another son and another daughter. david: your father was in the company for many years, but your uncle henry ford was the ceo for a number of years. you're at ford for a while and you decide to get a masters degree, but you went to the sloan school, which is named after the head of general motors. mr. ford: yeah, i know. it gets pretty incestuous at some point. david: did people point that out? mr. ford: that was pointed out all the time when i was at sloan. i do separate bathroom, by the -- i had a separate bathroom, by the way. david: so after you went -- you graduated, you went back to ford and you rose up in various positions. wasn't obvious to you that you would rise up to the top? mr. ford: no. i thought i could do it, but there was no guarantees. there were many people there who wanted me to succeed, there were many people who did not want the family to succeed. and then there was this notion that my values did not always align with the top management's values. i went thro

. >> henry ford has one son and your father william clay ford. >> your father was in the company foryears and for uncle was the ceo for a number of years. >> you decided to get a masters degree but wenmaster'sdegree bul that is named after the head of general motors. >> i had a separate bathroom by the way. >> after you went into graduated from there you went back to ford and you rose up to various positions that wasn't obvious to you that you would rise up to the top? >> there was no guarantee. there were people that wanted me to succeed and didn't want the family to succeed. my values didn't always align so then i went to this period whether it was the right place to leave my mark in the world. >> you thought -- >> i thought people were writing songs about them and people celebrated them. i got to college and realized there was a whole school of thought that the auto industry in general, but so auto were not such a great thing. so that opened my eyes and i thought we have to change if we want to get this next generation to the best and the brightest. if we could attract the best an