at the same moment that the political legacy of henry clay, lincoln's early ideologist of a statesman and mary's beloved father, were destroyed. if those events were not sufficiently embitter in bittee was another factor. it was a profound but concealed factor. from memoirs, journals and pamphlets of the time a mystery underlined that todd ayres versus wickliffe case images. it was that todd family secret. there was a living air. he was the grandson, the only child of her son who had died at a relatively young age, but this air was not a person under the law. he was, in fact, a slave. and he had been emancipated and shipped to liberia. in 1878 this former slave, the invisible man of the story, and he had a name, alfred francis russell was elected vice president of liberia. and it 1883 he became president. so that made him mary todd's second relation to become a president. back in illinois from kentucky, lincoln spoke with john todd lewis got his first law partner, and early political mentor, a conservative old whig. the time was soon to come in which we must be democrats or abolitioni

. >> in your office, there's a picture of the great henry clay, one of the great kentucky compromisers. is there a compromise for daca, vetting? >> yeah, i think so. democrats desperately want daca. republicans are not necessarily opposed to that. the president has set it up that we have an incentive to act. he's given us six months to come up with a proposal. i think there ought to be something related to making the american legal immigration system better, achieved along with daca. it could be border security, it could be ending chain migration, it could be the diversity quotas, but something that ta tangibly improves the immigration system in our country i think ought to be attached to daca. >> this is also a week of indictments. there are two views of mr. mueller. somewhat legislation to limit his reach. other want legislation to keep him safe from being fired. do you think congress has any role in legislating about the special counsel right now? >> i don't think so. i don't hear much pressure to pass anything. there's been no indication the president or the white house are not coo

visiting henry clay's home outside of lexington. when i got there, the big sign about henry clay was that his great nickname was the great compromiser. the great compromiser. it was a positive term. one of the best people ever not elected president -- he ran three times. our distrust of government is affecting us all across the board, whether it be republican or democratic. gleaves: very interesting. i want to pose one more question for you all before we open it up to questions from the audience and our audience in ann arbor. what i would like to ask, we are on a campus, college campus. at the hauenstein center, we do take a character seriously. we are about ethical and effective leadership, but ethical is put in the first place for a reason. what should colleges be doing at this point to rebuild the culture of character? what books should professors assign, what community reading projects should be undertaken? what kinds of things would you suggest? ronald: well, i think universities have become so specialized, and we have lost the

henry clay was for some 20 odd years but newt gingrich has been a spokesman from the late 1970's up until today, advising presidents, political leaders, writing books, offense, articles, giving speeches. so that is what made his life worthy of study. that as much as anything. host: if you are interested in the book, he said that what craig shirley on the "afterwards " program, available on www.c-span.org, available anytime. we will get back to your phone calls. greg from new jersey. republican line. caller: you guys went off topic a little with the book but that is ok. i have to say that this country is divided but not in two parts. it is divided in several. congress, like you said, is dragging its feet. congress is tremendous and they do not think we see what is going on. that is why people are angry. the left is going to be the left and trump i understand is a figure, but what -- he was voted in to do certain things and we want them to do those things. they are stalling. they think we're not seeing that. we are. i will take health care, for instance. they are not under obamacare. they d

thomas attacked the result oftem as the an appeal between henry clay and adams, which contrary to theill of the people produced a favor iny in adams's 1824. states did not have any popular electoral provision for the election of the president. yet been fully't democratized, which would occur under jackson over the next eight to 12 years. the democratic party, led by van secured the presidency for the democratic candidates by encouraging the idea of a winner take all. this was not anticipated by the framers. the device of winner take all represents some of the virtues the framers sought to achieve by means of allowing electors. could say this was an aristocratic element. there is another way to look at it. achieveit you seek to in putting a man in the office of the presidency? it is the devices used to guard against -- vices you seek to guard against. this is what people often fail to understand. recall that eloquent sentiment voiced in the very first paragraph of the very first federalist paper, it wasn't possible to establish a government from a reflection of choice, but whether men

henry clay was for some 20 odd years but newt gingrich has been a spokesman from the late 1970's up untiloday, advising presidents, political leaders, writing books, offense, articles, giving speeches. so that is what made his life worthy of study. that as much as anything. host: if you are interested in the book, he said that what craig shirley on the "afterwards " program, available on www.c-span.org, available anytime. we will get back to your phone calls. greg from new jersey. republican line. caller: you guys went off topic a little with the book but that is ok. i have to say that this country is divided but not in two parts. it is divided in several. congress, like you said, is dragging its feet. congress is tremendous and they do not think we see what is going on. that is why people are angry. the left is going to be the left and trump i understand is a figure, but what -- he was voted in to do certain things and we want them to do those things. they are stalling. they think we're not seeing that. we are. i will take health care, for instance. they are not under obamacare. they do