loved throw so much that she went to russia to do a secret cia style mission to make sure henry david thoreau's books were being carried in russian libraries. host: let's pick up with lbj when edition of the office in november 1963. everyone probably associates the great society program with lbj, you write that he adopted the new conservation program is a natural adjunct to it. you write of lbj he gave conservation a higher priority than any other president since theodore roosevelt. what did you do? guest: talk about an underplayed story in our nation's history, lyndon johnson and conservation. the first thing he did was my lady bird, and she grew up in east texas around the big ticket area, louisiana border and became a love with the flora and fauna of that ince lake region. there, and don henley -- we have lady bird johnson, national wildlife center at the university of texas. he kept udall. johnson said let's go for it. really good rangers of the midwest or some of the best land stewards there are. we sometimes think of cowboys as being slaughterhouses or shooting of guns, many of them do a

loved throw so much that she went to russia to do a secret cia style mission to make sure henry david thoreau'sooks were being carried in russian libraries. host: let's pick up with lbj when he takes over the office in november 1963. everyone probably associates the great society program with lbj, you write that he adopted the new conservation program is a natural adjunct to it. you write of lbj he gave conservation a higher priority than any other president since theodore roosevelt. what did he do? guest: douglas "doug" brinkley talk about an underplayed story in our nation's history, lyndon johnson and coertion. the first thing he did was mary lady bird, and she grew up in east texas around the big ticket -- thicket area. louisiana border and became love with the flora and fauna of that incredible lake region. gorgeous there, and don henley and the eagles. the band. is working hard to preserve that area right now but she saved our -- we have lady bird johnson, national wildlife center at the university of texas. his wife love this. and then he kept udall kennedys secretary. and then johnson s

right like you can see a figure like henry david thoreau writing in his journals. i hate museums. they are dead nature collected by dead men right that there's that there's beyond what the the founders of these museums are saying about what they're trying to do we can we can really access the thoughts and experiences of people who you know might be thinking in other ways about you know, what knowledge looks like and what should be included or not. and i guess like the last thing i'd say about that is you know curators might imagine this kind of official route to creating knowledge within a museum collection. but of course we know that there would be things left out stories not told and i think that those kinds of issues and questions really resonate a lot across a lot of the a lot of different institutions during this period yeah, and i think the idea that museum making as a cultural process is so integral to those first years of the early republic. what are some of the ways that these institutions buttress or shape american federal growth and even american identity? yeah, absolut

and the writer and naturalist, henry david thoreau mourned's decision to kill each hurdle in order to donate it to harvard's natural history museum, even as he recognized its potential value to scientific research. so the founders of museums often envisioned order. they picture these collections arranged in cases and cabinets. but the reality was a much more disorderly process that spurred really dynamic conversations about within a day beyond institutions about what we choose to preserve, and value, about who's knowledge and expertise is celebrated or erased, and about who has access to the knowledge and education represented by cultural institutions. these questions continue to resonate in discussions about these institutions today, and my hope is that understanding the longer history of these issues, can help us think creatively about how to interpret objects that were collected during this time, and also can inform how we think about making cultural institutions more interdisciplinary, inclusive, and community oriented spaces today. so with some of these larger issues in mind, i j

and the last thing i will say i'm trying to be brief but in 1854 henry david thoreau wrote in messageetts and in the essay he said he admonished the democrats because they were the slaveholders and admonish the press because it was sympathetic to the democratic cause and that the press a few exceptions is correct on —- correct that was 168 years ago. i know you are doing your best but how do you communicate the history of what has happened to the black community? >> that is why i did uncle tom and uncle tom to. if youou watch both documentary you have the full course of history and you are right democrats were the party of slavery. there were no republicanhe slaveowners. but then they found republican slaveowners of the 400,000 in 1860 census maybe six or eight were republicans. even they started out as democrats. republican party was the party of j jim crow. i did not the democratic party by democrats founded the kkk and all the politicians that stood in the school doors like wallace the role democrats born and raised and i democrats now all of a sudden in the sixties they switch sid

and the last thing i'm going to say, i'm trying to be brief, but in 1854, henry david thoreau wrote anlavery in massachusetts. in the essay he said that, he admonished the democrats because they were the slaveholders. he admonished the press because the press was sympathetic to the democratic cause, and he said that the press with few exceptions is corrupt. and if my math is correct that's 168 years ago. and my question to you is, and i know you're doing your best and so was vince allison, how do we communicate the history of what has happened to the black community? and -- >> host: we will have to leave it there. thank you for that. any comments. >> guest: that is what i did uncle tom and uncle tom two. and if you watch both of these documentaries you will have a full course on exactly the history of these two parties. you are quite right democrats are the party of slavery. there were no republican slaveowners and recommendations and whatnots found some republican slaveowners. out of the 400,000 slaveowners in 1860 census, maybe six or eight might have been republicans. even though st