i think henry ford, who proved to be very rich, he had a really interesting model. his model was, how do you make all of -- i can make all of the model t cars i want to, but if i don't pay the proper wages, i can't have my workers /ambassadors drive the vehicles. you are talking to someone who grew up in a family of five, whose father worked in the postal service. 1970's, upin the civil servants, postal servants could provide for a family of five or six depending on where you lived. the problem is post-reagan, they became a super consolidation of small to medium businesses. it became monopolized. what we are not really talking about is not so much the tax issue, the problem is the henry ford model, which is, i want to maintain my workers as long as i can because i have a higher quality control and i'm willing to pay them well for their services. host: thank you very much. mr. hodge? issue isrrently, the not necessarily the tax burden on the middle class because there has been a lot done recently to lower the tax burden on the middle class. what is necessary is to ch

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much cleaner engine and without henry ford's trademark anti-semitism. here's the bottom line when it comes to tesla, the doubters were wrong and the believers are right. those are not of the rich, cautious stayed investors, they are the individual investors who are sick and tired of being told that they're studipid, too stup to manage their own money. that shouldn't take so many people by surprise, and i hope it doesn't after the shimmering star that is elon musk's tesla let's go to phillip in north carolina phillip? phillip, how are you >> caller: i'm good. i'm good before i start, i just want to thank you so much. because for all the years that i've been watching you, you're making it possible for me to give my four grandkids a head start on life when they got to go out into the real world. >> you're a good man thank you. i try pretty hard and it's worth it when i hear things like that. so let's go to work. >> caller: listen, one other quick question i've seen pictures of your garden do you have any fig trees in that garden? >> any fruit trees >> call

more harm than good joining us now to discuss our boom bust in such a journalist pence juan and henry ford which board member with the british american business association ben let's start with you give us a rundown of what this lawsuit looks like it's actually a couple different lawsuits kind of being filed in tandem one of them is a lawsuit that essentially says that the trump of ministration failed to impose tariffs within what they call a required 12 month period which they say is in line with the world trade organization essentially that tariff they say those additional tariffs on chinese goods have been that what they call a wrongful demonstration of administrative process now while you have that happening from those car makers and auto makers you separately have a lawsuit being filed in tandem this one is by a company called dana corp it is an audit will build manufacturer parts manufacturing into g.e. and what they are suing over is say that the administration's quote unbounded and unlimited trade war impacted billions of dollars in goods imported from the people's republic of chin

and wages were -- talk to henry ford, who initially agreed to increase worker wages. he contacted all the governors of the states, the 48 states, and appealed to them to increase, step up, accelerate public works programs. he, himself, went to congress and asked for $150 million, which was more than any president before him. in fact, more than most presidents combined. and that was just the first installment. so the idea that he did nothing is pretty thoroughly disabused. so why is he 70, 80 years later pilloried? why is he indelibly, personally associated with the great depression? and there are a number of reasons for that. one, the democrats brilliantly hired a man name charlie michaelson, who worked for, i think, "the baltimore sun." and charlie michaelson, you might say, invented negative politics in the way that you and i understand it. charlie michaelson's sole job, day in and day out, was to blacken the reputation of the president, to drive home, in voters' minds, the fact this man was heartless. this man was responsible for the great depression, et cetera, et

henry ford had for better or worse started the revolution and transportation that led to the transformation of this nation. that superficial veneer belied a continuing antipathy that was out there with regard to communism, the communist party, organized labor and all of the other evils that john henry wigmore, after holmes issued his dissent in abrams, wrote an article where he said in effect they are promoting the freedom of [indiscernible] totally sobering article. i commend it to people. it is a catalog of all of the evils that five men publishing a publication in yiddish that got virtually no certification, no one ever read, going to bring down the war effort of the united states. we tend to forget another reality, the significant conservativism. in the new deal, john davis, a famous attorney, infamous in some respects, official spokesman for the american bar association, writes an article he says the federal government is not [indiscernible] i.e. what is all of this new deal stuff? it is not with the government should be doing. couple that with what you see if you look in the newspaper

this is the state where henry ford invented the assembly line, think of that. [cheers and applause] it is the place where general motors, chrysler and kellogg revolutionized entire industries. what is state. michigan gave us motown, mustang, and the unrivaled might of the american midwest. we made america entered the single greatest nation in the history of the world and the best is yet to come. [cheers and applause] proud citizens like you help build this country and together, we are taking back the country. we are returning power to you, the american people. that is what i said i was going to do. with your help, your devotion, your drive, we are going to keep on working. we are going to keep on fighting. and we are going to keep on winning, winning, winning. [cheers and applause] we are one movement, when people, one family, and one glorious nation under god, and to gather with the incredible people michigan, we have made america powerful again. [cheers and applause] we have made america wealthy again. [cheers and applause] we have made america strong again.

them to agree to undertake an increase in their commitments and wages were -- you want to talk to henry ford. they agreed to increase worker wages. he contacted all of the governors of the states, the 48 states, and appealed to them to increase -- step up, accelerate, public works programs. he himself went to congress and asked for $150 million which was more than any president before him, in fact, more than most presidents combined. and that was just the first installment. the idea that he did nothing, you know, is pretty thoroughly disabused. so why is he 70, 80 years later pillaried, why is he personally associated with the great depression? a number of reasons for that. one, the democrats hired a man named charlie michaelson who working for "the baltimore sun" and he invented negative politics in the way that you and i would understand it. his sole job every day was to blacken the reputation of the president, to drive home in voters' minds the fact that this man was heartless, this man was responsible for the great depression, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. hoover unwittingly contribut

i think henry ford, who proved to be very rich, he had a really interesting model.as, how do you make all of -- i can make all of the model t cars i want to, but if i don't pay the proper wages, i can't have my workers /ambassadors drive the vehicles. you are talking to someone who grew up in a family of five, whose father worked in the postal service. growing up in the 1970's, up until reagan, civil servants, postal servants could provide for a family of five or six depending on where you lived. the problem is post-reagan, they became a super consolidation of small to medium businesses. it became monopolized. what we are not really talking about is not so much the tax issue, the problem is the henry ford model, which is, i want to maintain my workers as long as i can because i have a higher quality control and i'm willing to pay them well for their services. host: thank you very much. mr. hodge? guest: currently, the issue is not necessarily the tax burden on the middle class because there has been a lot done recently to lower the tax burden on the middle class. wh

by building the middle class like henry ford said.e needed his auto workers to be able to afford the cars. by doing what president trump did to my tax cut, he just handed it out to all the wealthy and the big corporations but this time, the middle class are going to hopefully get their fair share. liz: i'm glad you said that. >> how does president biden, if elected, how is he going to handle the rise in residential real estate taxes because that's how you fund education? how will he change that? >> well, residential real estate taxes are going to be -- taxes are in trouble because property values are dropping down like never before. what's happening, too, you talk about the trump deregulation. because of their ridiculous policies, what we have now is more regulation. the state of california is talking about passing crazy rent control laws that are going to hurt the property values -- liz: jeff, that's not the president. that's not the president. that's the state of california. >> this is happening because the pandemic hurt us so badly

he harkens back to the 19th, early 20th century, more like henry ford or thomas edison. he cares about the country. patriotism has become a kind of a cheap word. ross perot is sort of a superpatriot. he's less interested in money and politics than he is in doing what's right for our country. this comes, i believe, from his navial academy background, his constant service to our country, looking for pows and mias during vietnam. and constantly supporting our special forces. but the clip you just ran tells you that in 1992, perot talked about the center issue of the upcoming presidential election, the national debt. when we gave that clip, we were at $3 trillion. today we're at $15 trillion. when he was talking about the sucking sound of jobs leaving america due to nafta outsourcing, it's probably on the left the issue that the most disturbed zone of middle class americans is that jobs had gone overseas and many towns in the midwest or south are languishing right now. >> so the issues ross perot talked about in his campaigns are being echoed today by the tea party on the ri

he is more like henry ford or thomas edison. he's not politics as usual. he really cares about the country, patriotism. that's become a cheap. word people throw it about. ross perot was a superpatriot. he's less interested in money and politics than he is in doing what's right for our country. this comes out of his naval academy background. he was in constant service to the country. looking for p.o.w.'s and mia's during vietnam and constantly supporting our special forces. but the clip you just ran tells you that in 1992, perot was on the central issue, the national debt. when he gave that clip, he said three trillion dollars in debt. today, we are at 15 trillion. when he was talking about the great sucking sound of jobs leaving america due to nafta outsourcing, it's probably on the left to stir some middle class americans that say jobs have gone overseas and many of our towns in the midwest and south are languishing right now. >> the issues ross perot talked about in his campaigns are being echoed today by tea party people on the right and occupy wall str

this is the state where henry ford invented the assembly line. think of that. think of that.plause] great things happened in this state. it's a place where general motors, chrysler, kellogg revolutionized entire industries. amazing when you think of what michigan has done. michigan gave us motown. [applause] gave us the mustang. [applause] mightve us the unrivaled of the american midwest, right? [applause] think of that. when you think michigan is something very special, we made america into the single greatest nation in the history of the world, and the best is yet to come. you watch. it's going to come. proud citizens like you helped build this country, and together we are taking back our country. we are returning power to you, the american people. that's what we're doing. devotion,help, your and your drive, we are going to keep on working. we are going to keep on fighting. and we are going to keep on winning, winning, winning. [applause] alright? we are one movement, one people, one family, and one glorious nation under god. [applause] and together, we're the incredible pe

cheaper and cheaper every year and the battery go down i think they're lowering the prices very henry ford-like without the ideology he's going to make the car cheaper. i feel like it is -- people are trading in stocks before there were commissions and then traded even more had they got rid of commissions. i think tesla -- if they could make a million cars, they would sell a million cars with or without that credit. that's how strongly people feel about this car bitcoin is the only other asset i've every seen that is like tesla. people just -- who own it, they just will not let you say aed bad wo bad word about it. fister worked at one point with elon, but another great designer, i went to the lamborghini factory. they made five lamborghinis the day i was there, full day. tesla, lamborghini, fisker, those are the ones that people say, flawless. flawless when i hear flawless, i say how i do value that as if it were just gm? i can't. it is unfair to gm but i can't. >> yeah. you guys are right about the latecomers on the street j & p and baird to outperform today. >> it was painful. >> i thin

this is the state where henry ford invented assembly line think of that. think of that. great things happened in this state. it's a place where general motors chrysler, kellogg revolutionized entire industries, amazing when you think of what michigan has done michigan gave us motown. gave us the mustang. and gave us the unrivaled might of the american midwest right, i mean, think of that. think of what michigan -- you know when you think michigan is something very special. we made america into the single greatest nation in the history of the world. and the best is yet to come. you watch. it's gong to come. proud citizens like you help build this country and together we are taking back our country. we are returning power to you. the american people. that's what we're doing. with your help your devotion and your drive, we are going to keep on working. we are going to keep on fighting, and we are going to keep on winning, winning, winning -- right? we are one movement, one people, one family, and one glorious nation under god. and together with the incredible people of mich

he admires and collects books on and likes to read about and have inspired him in the same way henry ford and thomas ed son were people who inspired him in business. ed, are you there? >> caller: i voted for perot and '92 and i believe that's how clinton got elected and bush didn't seem like he cared whether he got elected or not. >> thanks very much. do you think that ross perot is responsible for the election of bill clinton, carolyn barta? >> i do. and i think there were two impacts, one is, he -- similar to teddy roosevelt, he split the republican vote and that way roosevelt denied taft a second term. perot split the conservative vote and denied bush a second term. but he did another thing, i think, by getting in the race and beating up on bush all along the way, kind of softened him up for clinton to come in and make the kill. so i think it was sort of a two-tiered effect there and i do -- i'm not sure how the campaign would have played out without him. but i certainly think that part of the impact of his being in the race was that clinton was elected. >> next call is from rick in me

that, the detroit henry ford health system did 2500 people and said that it significantly stopped the deaths on this virus. why is there so much hate against trump that they wouldn't chloroquineoric -- and hydroxychloroquine? host: ok. kevin, independent line. morning. caller: how you doing? hasar as, my mother-in-law the covid. my great mother-in-law got the covid just a week ago. they are both home from the hospital, doing well. it hasn't changed my vote any. how do you plan to vote? caller: i plan to vote for mr. trump. i have been watching your show for the last few months. all your democrat callers call in and i haven't seen one, not one democrat voter blame china for the virus. they all blaine trump. people workedt of up. trump didn't start this virus. he does then more than biden probably would have ever done to try and fight it. to lock down the country again, you do it. that, the country is going to go bankrupt and that's what they want. they want to bankrupt the country so they can run the country the way they want to run it. the president was in new hampshire, yesterday, an

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henry kissinger would not be back in power in some form. there was the fear of presidents, that he would outshine them or preempt their own authority, as he seemed to have done with gerald ford. the interesting thing about that chapter is i cannot really use the types of sources a historian would like to. i had a moment when my copy editor said, a there is another book -- you know there is another book in the slapped -- in this last chapter. kissinger did become in those 1970's, 1980's, 1990's elite commentator -- a lead commentator. he became a symbol and exercise of american power. i think i will close here and leave it open for comments. >> thank you very much. we now have a -- we are very fortunate to have a very distinguished panel of experts, colleagues, friends to provide some initial comments and questions for comments. we want to set this up really interactively. i have asked our commentators to be short entrees. really focus on a couple of key questions that will draw on the main arguments of the book. we will start with professor barbara, who shares in u.s. and international history at a university in the u.k. she received her degree from harvard university. she i

puts them on their side, president ford who was in 94% of a treaty we could be in agreement with west emphatically against -- was emphatically against. senators like henry jackson and hollings of south carolina, they are taking the lead in the fight against this particular treaty. i am not talking of scrapping. i am talking of taking the going back into negotiations and i would say to the soviet union we will sit and negotiate with you as long as it takes to have not only legitimate arms limitation but to have a reduction of these nuclear weapons to the point that neither of us represents a threat to the other. that is hardly throwing away a treaty. >> president carter? is makingr reagan some very misleading and disturbing statements. he not only advocates the scrapping of this treaty and i don't know that these man are against the treaty. he also advocates the possibility, he said it's been a -- ofg element, a planting a trump card against russia. if president said we will scrap this treaty, negotiated over a seven year. , and we we insist upon believe the launching of a nuclear arms race is a good basis for future negotiations it's obvious that i as p

president ford who has been involved in a treaty that we could have made agreement with, he said he was emphatically against this new treaty. i would like to point out also that senators like henry jackson and others are taking the lead in the fight against this particular treaty. i'm not talking about scrapping about taking the treaty back and going back into negotiations and i would say to the soviet union, we will sit and negotiate with you as long as it takes to have not only legitimate arms limitation but have a reduction of these nuclear weapons to the point neither of us represents a threat to the other. that is hardly throwing away a treaty or being opposed to arms limitation. >> president carter? president carter: governor reagan is making some misleading and disturbing statements. he not only advocates the scrapping of this treaty, and i don't know these men he quotes are against the treaty in its final form, but he also advocates the possibility thing it has been a missing element and plane a card against the soviet union of a nuclear arms race and insisting upon nuclear superiority by our own nation as a predication for future negotiations with the soviet union in th