it really began with henry goldman, but then, you know, after sidney weinberg basically every leader the firm was either interested in politics or came to washington. and part of the reason is because goldman has now, especially, very much an up and out mentality. once you have made your pile of cash at goldman sachs as a partner, you know, they sort of force you out. which is very interesting. other firms, you know, they're not set up like that. when i worked at lazard, for instance, felix wanted to be treasury secretary, steve ratner was the car czar. but, you know, there was this mentality that, yes, public service was important, but, you know, until we get sort of tapped on the shoulder for the right job, we don't want to leave all the millions we'd have to give up being at lazard. but at goldman they force people out. so you get your time in the sun, you mange your -- you make your pile, and then you get shown the door more or less. either you made it to a limited partner or, actually, relieved of your duties. so a lot of people who are quite young and energetic, you know, maybe