henry kaiser, the man who was involved first in road construction, one of the builders of hoover dam, and he and his colleagues of the six companies -- people like stephen bechtel, bechtel corporation, harry morris of morris and knudsen. that's a different knudsen, it's not my knudsen, it's another guy. i think it's now still probably the largest construction firm in the world right now, morse and knudsen, and the other company, tennessee eastman, who became involved in wartime construction. all of these understanding the process of lae-scale enterprise which they used not just to construct docks to repair pearl harbor, for example, and to prepare military facilities, but also to build ships. kaiser's liberty ships being the classic example of that. as the time in which it took to build constantly shrank down to fewer and fewer days until finally by 1942 they could launch a liberty ship every five days if they had to. in fact, a great story about a lady who comes out to christen one of the ships at kaiser's yard up in portland, oregon, and she comes out with her champagne bottle, and