of how great of a statesman mr henry kissinger. stage use is really perplexing but these people never face reality never face real people never face real tough questions from the mainstream media they get propped up they get their bus all the time and then when you slap him with that reality is just the beautiful moment that humanizes them makes people understand also on t.v. right now that there are just as equal as we are they're not as powerful we as you know separate human beings we have the same power as they do we just have to use it effectively right well i mean i would say that over the years now you have affected your techniques and you maintain a level of professionalism in what you do what you're describing there these confrontations are very brutal in their honesty you know however they're done with of well within the the protocols of the event that's taking place and he catches in their natural habitat i would say and they look quite ugly but i want to move on to something here because. you know as an independent journ

whether it's true or not i don't know that president obama has declined to meet privately with henry kissinger who sees putin twice a year probably kissinger probably knows putin better than any american. political statesman alive today. and who has been consulted by so many presidents and what we might about kissinger's past but he has already declared his criticism of american policy toward russia that obama would want to spend an hour with him asking are we doing something wrong or we misperceive in this situation. to me that's the answer to your question and i think i don't know why it is some of obama's biographer thank you it's his nature it's astounding well we'll continue this i don't know yeah war of science conversations of great minds with stephen cohen right after the break. we welcome aaron nate and mark to two or three posts on the r.t.d.

henry kissinger. how would you rate hillary clinton? >> i was on her advisory board.thought she was very proactive and engaged. she logged a lot of miles, got to know a lot of people. i'm not sure -- i think history, you have to let time go by. i think she was a perfectly good secretary of state. i enjoyed the exchanges i had with her in the few opportunities that i had. >> as a diplomat, was the prisoner change for sergeant bowe bergdahl a smart move? >> i don't see anything wrong with concern for an american who has been detained against his will in prisoner territory. whether some of the surrounding ceremony all -- ceremonial activity and hoopla was advised, i'm not sure. >> thank you, mr. ambassador. next, the newest poll. ♪ >> welcome back. margaret carlson and lanhee chen in a moment. but first, julianna goldman is here. the latest poll came out and they are not passing it around in the white house. >> americans are saying to the president, we are not that into you. he has enjoyed high favorability ratings. >> personal. >> how much americans like him. he has hit

but in the meantime, we can let the predominantly shiite iraqi army engage with isis, and as henry kissinger said about the iran/iraq war of the 1980s, maybe both sides can lose. >> this morning the iranian supreme leader warned against u.s. involvement. do you fear that iraq can become a client state potentially of tehran, and that's where we're potentially going with this? >> i think that's what the al maliki regime unfortunately has become. and it's actually worse than that, since muck tad al sadr came into the picture. this is very complicated. and therefore, we need to focus on what america's core interests are and what the key threats to them is at the moment. that remains iran. nobody should be under any illusion that we can just stand back and let this play out. we have to be very attentive, focus on it carefully and understand our interests, such as stability in jordan. which is now threatened by the war in both syria and iraq. >> now that isis has taken two of the border crossings, one in jordan, one in syria, there's more trouble on the way. ambassador bolden, always great to see

condor encompassed all the usual suspects and psychopath the included and then secretary of state henry kissinger all know at least sixty thousand deaths going to officially be attributed to the operation moving on to africa specifically the ones actually democratic republic of congo and one nine hundred sixty the congo elected its first democratically elected prime minister patrice lumumba unfortunately for the west of the mamba was a staunch nationalist who advocated for national liberation both politically and economically yet when member was faced with the us and belgian backs the session of a resource rich part province excuse me he turned to the soviet union for aid in holding on to the territory so of course this move put him on a cia hit list according to global research declassified american documents establish washington's role in attempting to kill the mamba by smuggling poison toothpaste into his bathroom and ultimately among those caught by opposition forces and executed by firing squad fast forward today or congo remains a hotbed of instability in the bloody civil war resulted in th

it is henry kissinger who formulated correctly when i have a lot of options if you wait until the threat is clear the options are limited but this is a real threat. believes me with great hesitation may disagree with general petraeus but it is wrong to call this just a sectarian conflict. it is but that has another dimension that is deeply concerned and not just iraq but syria and libya and northern pakistan called al qaeda. americans may have the trouble understanding the difference between sunni and shechem with the a understand al qaeda. >> there is some differences in how fast they should kill us. excuse me. [laughter] neil: he thinks that get involved will only exacerbate all of this? >> i think there are two things that need to be done and first is to stop the advance by the jihadist is proud of the greek to most americans but the black flag sam costumes carrying slogans and they do have differences with the leadership but give me a break. neil: are there more brutal? >> yes. the thoughts are disturbing. apparently dozens of people so they pose a global threat and to stophe advance

>> there was the iran-iraq war and henry kissinger, my boss, said this is the one war you don't want anybody to win and to go on forever. >> was it wise policy then and is it wise now? >> it kept them busy. in all seriousness, we have fought and lost two iraq wars. we won and lost and then we won and then we lost. i don't know if cooperating with iran and cooperating with iran's air force means we win this one. the united states needs to think outside the box. what are our vital interests, oil, terrorists, israel and how do we achieve the interests. >> we want some and we don't want others. >> we want the oil and don't want terrorists and we want israel to survive. is there another way to do this? i think there is. the united states in the last five years has developed the technology to look deep underground for oil and gas. we have a lot of it. we should develop it and will be self-sufficient ourselves within 18 months. then we can be the world exporter. who needs a middle east? and then the terrorists, the argument is that if we don't do something in iraq the terrorists will set up

conflict between isis and the maliki regime is analogous to the iran, iraq war of the 1980s when henry kissinger>> i don't know how iran can lose in this because they have aligned themselves with al maliki and isis, isis coming out of syria and heading down to baghdad. they have got two teams playing against each other here. >> he will with, i think the iranians have potentially have isis in a nutcracker. they have assaad on one side and al maliki on the other. i think this attack by isis well-planned and well executed to be short so far the question is whether it's sustainable. and if these 3,000 isis fighters are in iraq it means they are not in syria anymore. >> what happens? give me the scenario, the possibility. >> here is one thing that's not going to happen. baghdad is not going it fall. if isis goes into baghdad, the streets will run with blood but they will not contour it the areas that isis now dominates in iraq are the sunni areas. but the country is 20% kurdish and 60% she a and what al maliki is doing now is creating a new iraqi army. i think this conflict as in syria could grind on

director keith alexander henry kissinger c.e.o. of dutrow shell the editor in chief of the economist of course neo-con warmonger richard perle david petraeus school's eric schmidt and the queen of spain but that's not looking at what's the plan i mean at what point behind the closed doors you think the shapeshifting begins it's at the moment though because. of the lizard for well i mean dollars i've never seen that much evil in one room since iran used to have all died rangers with henry kissinger running the you know sound booth and margaret thatcher running the beer bongs i mean i didn't see that much but i also think people sort of put too much weight on these secret meetings because they're like oh my god they got together then maybe made sense back before like telephones and things but now these people can coordinate. there are there are plans there are you know global plans in many ways there's skype there's google hangout you know there's christian mingle dot com they have what you communicate over one hundred conference cal

running it himself in the presence of let's say people who don't exactly have the stature of henry kissinger>> i was surprised although there is no appetite for boots on the ground, i was surprised to hear the president of the united states take it off the table. why do that publicly? does that help at all? >> general keen said if you take off air controllers on the ground, boots on the ground, then nullified all military action, not just military action on the ground. you have nullified -- >> the iraqis can't fly missions without boots on the ground. >> i don't know why you do that unless you appeal -- it's a political statement. >> what about approximate lawmakers over the weekend, the president being disengaged this weekend of all weekends. >> look, i covered the bush white house, clinton white house, this white house. i've always been low to criticize the president. as you know, the president never leaves, the president. it's optics. not just how it matters to this country, voters and family members of our men and women in the military, but also what it looks like to our many enemies ove

his is a time when henry kissinger had promised the israelis and said we would never talk to members of the plo, the palestinian liberation army, that it was a terrorist organization we would not have any dealings with. but of course when ames started this relationship, in 1969, very it.y, kissinger knew about not immediately, but ames told , and helmselms encouraged him to do it. that is what intelligence officers do. they go where foreign service officers, diplomats, cannot go. >> tell me about salome. the relationship is crucial to the book. >> these are men who are complete opposites. ames was the son of a steelworker from philadelphia. not blue blood. not boston brahman. not yale, skull and bones. not the stereotype you have of a cia officer. he was the son of a steelworker philadelphia. an all-american basketball player. eyes,handsome, hazel blue blonde, and strikingly handsome. he favored cowboy boots and aviator glasses, tinted. walking down the streets of beirut or aden, he stuck out like an american. he was a good husband, a good father to his six children. he would have a

. >> henry kissinger suggested finland as a model and wrote about it in his column. is that the model to what ukraine should become? >> it depends on how you interpret this. >> i agree that if we are very clear what the finland model means. it must not mean and should not mean that ukraine is not free to choose which club it wants to belong to. that is a principle we established many years ago in the context of european security. each country should be free to choose. but in principle, they were free to choose and they chose out of their own will not to become members of nato, you know, many years ago. they decided to pursue a special finish way. there is nothing written in the bible or in the finnish constitution or anywhere else that would, in principle, prevent finland from becoming a member of nato. it is, of course, a member of the european union. in that sense, that is what we mean when we speak about the finnish solution. that is ok. some people believe it means the ukraine must not and will not and shall not ever become a member of this or that. i would say t

people liken it to henry kissinger's book. it's quite dull. >> it was called a newsless snore and the washington post - that she comes off as less than a visionary or a problem solver. seemingly from you will exercises. i haven't read the book. it seems like she's positioning president. >> this is where michael and i will disagree. this is a presidency in trouble. we'll see that come november. michael and i will disagree with what will happen in november, but i think we have a president who is somewhere in the low 40s in approval rating. rasmussen had him in the low 50s. she'll want to create distance. she does not want to be the next after obama. that family has a long history on their own. she has 100% name recognition. she has property taxes to pay. >> i don't think money is a problem. that's another issue. michael, you want to put in a quick word. i want to get to chris christie. >> i disagree with tom to a degree. i think what you'll see with clinton is distancing from a president as sort vice presidents have, even george

just run him like he is henry kissinger. i don't get it. >> chris, i think you are looking that the through the wrong lens. he is not a politician any more. an diplomat. not a secretary of state. he is a zealot. that's the lens to look at it through. in the first gulf war dick cheney was not in favor of going to baghdad. perhaps that and other changes in intervening years turned him by the time george bush needed sane sound advice in the first days into a remorseless relentless zealot. that zealotry you are watching there reinforced by the love of his daughter and whatever their ambitions are out there, it is zealotry and that's what we are listening to. this is not reason. it is zealousness. >> i studied it almost like the bible trying to figure out exactly what he is proposing. all he is doing is dumping on obama. >> sure. saying somehow if we left a residual force of a few how is soldiers, no one believes that. >> john mccain have been dumping on obama without saying anything they would do now. there is one line on the op

. >> i can remember henry kissinger said of nixon, if only someone has loved him. unbelievable.m defrank, doug brinkley. i always look to your history books. we'll be right back after this. when you run a business, you can't settle for slow. that's why i always choose the fastest intern. the fastest printer. the fastest lunch. turkey club. the fastest pencil sharpener. the fastest elevator. the fastest speed dial. the fastest office plant. so why wouldn't i choose the fastest wifi? i would. switch to comcast business internet and get the fastest wifi included. comcast business. built for business. >>> let me finish tonight with the strange matter of watergate. it sits there as a moment in our history that could well be hard for future generations to even fathom. people from overseas, i think of france, never did grasp what all the excitement and condemnation was about back then. i think it's a case of you had to be there. for all kinds of reasons, past history, psychological, logical self-protection, president richard nixon decided to create a group of plumbers, that's what he c

sum game and think that's different than the more foreign lled we cy professionals shall say, henry kissinger. did not have use for they'r theories of linkage or grand strategy. power sum midst in '89 and '88 schultz interact with counterpart and gorbachev advisor to outside skroeubg ka in a way that i think very much impressed orbachev and those performers around him. schultz also empowered reagan's bargain with the soviets and supported the to in 1987of efforts to achieve an i.m.f. treaty when this were a lot of people who saying, this was a bad deal you and had a number of u.s. allies who had extended tremendous cappal leading up to '83 to accept the missiles. april 1987, schultz tpwrurbed congressional nd resolution to travel to moscow t a moment when gorbachev needed him and in that summer, fascinating of meetings that have been declassified, there is a real -- there's a real battle between burger and other number of others in the administration as to whether the u.s. should shut off all arms negotiatio negotiations. n the end schultz outlasted rivals. when reagan and when reagan and sch

this is a time when henry kissinger had promised the israelis and said we would never talk to the membersf the plo, palestinian liberation association. it was a terrorists association, we wouldn't have any dealings with them. but of course when aims started this relationship in 1969, very early, with solame, kissinger knew about it. not immediately, but aims told his boss and helms encouraged him to do it because that's what intelligence officers do. they go where foreign intelligence officers can't do. >> rose: tell me about solame because that's crucial to the book. >> it's a fascinating story. these are two men who are complete opposites. aims was the son of a steel worker from philadelphia, not blue bud. he was the son of a steel worker from philadelphia, all american literally basketball player. tall, six foot three, handsome, through eyes, hazel blue eyes and blond and just strikingly hand some. he favored cowboy boots and tinted glasses. walking down the street of beirut, he stuck out like an american. he was a good husband, a good father to his six children. he would have a drink

that is different than previous so-called more foreign policy professionals, shall we say, henry kissinger, for instance. george schultz did not have much use for theories or grand strategy. at superpower summits in 1987 and 1988, george schultz interacted with his counterpart and gorbachev almost as an outside advisor to perestroika. someone who was offering his credentials as a professor of management, an expert on economics, in a way that impressed gorbachev and those reformers around him. he also empowered reagan's impulse to bargain with the soviets. he supported the redoubling of efforts in 1987 to achieve an inf treaty when a lot of people around reagan and people outside, such as kissinger and nixon, who were saying this was a bad deal and you had a number of u.s. allies who expended tremendous political capital to accept missiles. in april of 1997, following the kgb's penetration of the u.s. embassy in moscow, george schultz rushed aside critics and congressional resolution to travel to moscow at the very moment when gorbachev really needed him. in a series of really in a series o

henry kissinger sort of choked as he gave his little talk.bob dole had tears coming down his eye and bob dole while nixon was president and all the trouble asked would you like him to make an appearance in kansas and he said a flyover would do. [laughter] so he would have seen straight through them. he knew that kissinger was bad mouthing him in cambridge and at the georgetown parties. he understood everything that was going on. he was onto them but he would have been pleased with his funeral and i have to say that i kind of miss him but he was so interesting. now, why did i write this journal in the first place? when we had this idea of keeping the journal at the time, as i said, we didn't know where it was going and i came back to washington and this was also why we are here again. my mentor at the time also happened to be david john gardiner said to me elizabeth can i write this so that 40 years from now people will know what it was like then. it cannot be recaptured. now i don't know that i wrote it any differently with that in mind. i di

. >> rose: henry kissinger suggested on this program finland has a model and then wrote about it in hisolumn. is that the model to what ukraine should become. >> well it depends on how you interpret this. i agree if we are very clear what the finland model needs. the finland model must not mean, should not mean that ukraine is not free to choose, you know, which club it wants to belong to. that's a principal we established many years ago in the context of european security. each country should be free to choose. but the finns chose to become of their own will not to be members of nato many years ago. they decided to pursue a special finnish way. but nothing, there is nothing written neither in the bible nor in the finnish constitution or anywhere else that would in principal prevent finland from becoming a member of nato. finland is of course a member of the european union, so in that sense, if that's what we mean when we speak about the finnish solution, that's okay. some people believe that the finland model means ukraine must not, will not and shall not ever, you know, become a membe

ultimately, how we got out of the war was -- was a little bit of a struggle with president nixon and henry kissinger at the time. >> yeah, absolutely. and you know, you have to look at even kissinger and nixon. they ultimately made friends with enemies. the trick is the united states going to be forced into that position as well, given the developments and the threat that is there in iraq right now? general james williams, thank you so much. we appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >>> and two developments tonight in the painstaking search for malaysia airlines flight 370. months after the boeing 777 disappeared with 239 people aboard, australian authorities on wednesday will announce a brand-new search area. after re-evaluating satellite data, they say that could be their best chance yet to finding the missing airliner. also, malaysian authorities are blasting a report which names the plane's captain as the prime suspect in the plane's disappearance. clive irving, contributor to the daily beast, just wrote a very lengthy piece on this investigation. he joins me now. and clive, let's start with t

my old boss, henry kissinger said when they were at war with each other in the 1980s, he said too badsides can't lose. better they fight each other as long as we get our national security interests and vital interests out of the region. oil, we have to understand they will start blowing up each other's oil fields. we have to get our oil someplace else. why not the united states? why not north america? why not keystone pipeline? why not let our own energy companies develop american oil and natural gas? we could become in the middle east in the future. then the other argument of terrorists using that as base, we tried that. there are two-ways to kill a snake. you can starve a snake and try to cut the head off. we tried to cut the head off for last dozen years and we haven't done it. let's starve the snake. our homeland security in the united states, seal the border. melissa: interesting discussion that will not to away unfortunately not anytime too soon. thanks for coming on. we appreciate it. >>> rainy day funds are running dry. americans struggling to prepare for the worst. a doggone

and this is a famous sentence from henry kissinger and he's right.hting drug trafficking, stability in afghanistan, stability in iraq, preserving the state system in the middle east, fighting -- preventing sectarian war and this version of terrorism. these are among many other common interest issues between iran and the u.s. unfortunately, tehran and washington have never been able to sit together to have dialogue and cooperation on the commonalities. they have been fighting each other for over 30 years on disputes. >> right. and well, the roots, at least some of the roots of that mistrust, was u.s. involvement through the cia in a coup. the single most pivotal event in shaping iran-u.s. relations for decades to come. how much does that event still hang over u.s.-iranian relations? >> you mentioned one of the most important reasons of iranian mistrust, but i should say a quarter century support of the u.s. for a dictator shah in iran is the second. the u.s. support for saddam hussein, third. and the latest is orchestrating the most comprehensive unil