neil ferguson has done a deep dive into the life and papers of henry kissinger and come out with the his biography of the former secretary of state. i talked to ferguson about kissinger and his title, the idealist. you spent a lot of time talking about his upbringing. you pointed out something that might surprise people. he grew up an unorthodox jew in germany. this is something he doesn't bring up a lot. this is something others don't spend a lot of time on. do you think that orthodox jewish background was important to understanding kissinger? >> yes. in the sense that one has to understand the youth to understand anyone really. growing up between 1923 and 1938, he grew up in a pretty strict orthodox community. it was a part of germany that was by no means friendly to jews. you're right next door to nurembe nuremberg. and nuremberg was one of the hotbeds of national socialism, a place that produced the magazine. i think the fact that he grew up unorthodox in that very hostile environment mattered a lot. >> one of the things people are sure about about henry kissinger, he is very clev

you think the indictment of henry kissinger as a war criminal is unfair?i think it requires a double standard. it requires you to stay that things done by the nixon administration were uniquely wicked and not done by other administrations. it's very striking there's a continuity in u.s. foreign policy. it's by this no means only in chile that the military coup takes place. it's not the situation that an american administration is responsible for bombing a country it's not at war with.yea lot more people or think of the bombing that's gone on in pakistan under this administration. today we have drones rather than b-52s. the technology has changed. >> you point out that eisenhower and kennedy probably used covert actions for regimes. >> yeah. if you carry on thinking about what was done in the 1950s and 1960s where there were much clearer cases you'd have to concludes they were all war criminals and all the secretaries of state ought to be accused of these things and nearly all the presidents too. that seems the main problem with hitchings approach. it's jus

. >> now, most of our audience, all of our audience is familiar with the backgrounds of henry kissinger and president nixon, but who is the shah? what's his background? >> it's a good question. well, he ascended the throne in iran in 1941 in the midst of the second world war. he was not born a prince. his father came to power in iran in 1921 in a military coup. he'd been a military officer. and he became the crown prince of iran after his father was crowned in 1925. so he ascended the throne in possibly the most, you know, difficult circumstances that you can imagine. his country was under occupation by the allied powers. the soviet union had occupied the north of iran, britain the south, the united states, persian command had been established to supply the soviet union from the persian gulf. and so he barely managed to ascend the throne. the monarchy, you know, was touch and go whether the monarchy would survive. and he was only 21 years old at the time. the first american president that he met was franklin roosevelt, you know, so it's an incredible life story. and he becomes i think a

it was much of it to find by what henry kissinger has often defined as the balance of power in the greek gain. but that is not what we see today. i think most of you would make that judgment that there is not the same sense of threat that nationstates are ready to put it all on the line given the stakes and the types of weapons we have today, which do act as a deterrent. but what we have today are nonstate actors who have a very different sense of the stakes, who don't react the same way to the concept of deterrence. many of whom have decided, by the way, that they just assume not the norm for most people. so our strategy is different. our strategy with respect to syria certainly is threefold. but what we are seeing a merge is really a transformation that represents not a clash of civilization because there is nothing civilized about daish. it is barbaric, not the years but by centuries and it represents a clash not of civilization but of culture and modernity, a clash of people who have been left behind and you find some false notion of explanation for their action in the hijacking of a

look for his wonderful effort on henry kissinger. coming up, an important interview on bloomberg radio. kuroda, the governor of the bank of japan, an important moment for him. stay with us, this is "surveillance." ♪ tom: good morning, everyone, from the world economic forum in davos, the second lovely day here. we are here for a final day of conversation. we hope to bring you some smart conversation on television and radio. very quickly, the data check -- a continuation of the bounce. francine and i are calling it the dead davos bounce, churning off the draghi bombshell. 10 year yield up, up to a 2.06. oil with the rebound. i was asked eight times yesterday, what do i think oil will do? and $100?between $20 [laughter] tom: it will fluctuate. we have a wonderful guest, a wonderful tradition, to speak with laura tyson. no one in america dovetails policymaking and thinking about the workplace like the professor. she combines it with a real-world experience, starting long ago and far away at smith college. your last year at smith college

it was much of it defined by what henry kissinger has often defined as the balance of power, the great game. but that is not what is defining the conflict we see today. i think most of you would make the judgment that there is not the same sense of threat that nation states are ready to put it all on the line, given the stakes and the types of weapons that we have today. which to act as det errents. but what we have seen today are nonstate actors, who have a very different sense of the stakes, who don't react the same way to the concept of deterrence. many of whom have decided, by the way, that they just as soon die as live. which is not the norm for most people's judgment. so, our strategy is different. our strategy, with respect to syria, certainly, is three-fold. what we're seeing emerge is really a transformation that represents not a clash of civilizations, because there's nothing civilized about daesh, it's barbaric, it's a step backwards in time, not by years, but by centuries. and it represents a clash not of civilizations but of culture and modernity. a clash of people who hav

book on china and discovered that the most important person in the history of china is henry kissinger. and i may or may not be accurate. so what i want selfishly is a recommendation from each of you on a book that i may not have read about china that i can read in translation preferably that's not by one of the distinguished panelists here. doesn't have to be a desert island type of thing. >> oh, please don't start with me. >> peter. >> i don't know if i can remember the title, but there's a history book called 1522 or something, year of no significance. you guys probably know? what's the year? or is it the year of no significance? anyway, it's a great history book because he's kind of picking up a random year in the ming and not very important and as you see there's all kinds of things going on and it's a fascinating glimpse. it's a nice way to put history into perspective and to put what we do under perspective too. >> jiayang. >> i'm also blanking on the name of the book. it was memorable, just not its name. i think it was -- it's by a british-chinese author, susan barker. i did re

it was much of it defined by what henry kissinger has defined as the balance of power of the great gaint that is not what is defining the conflict that we see today. i think most of you would make the judgment that there is not the same sense of threat that nation states are ready to put it all on the line given the stakes and the types of weapons that we have today which do act as deterrent. but what we are seeing today are non-state actors, who have a very different sense of the stakes, who don't react the same way to the concept of deterrence. many of whom have decided, by the way, that they just as soon die as live. which is not the norm for most people's judgment. so our strategy is different. our strategy with respect to syria certainly is threefold. but what we're seeing emerge is really a transformation that represents not a clash of civilizations, because there is nothing civilized about daesh. it's barbaric. it's a step backwards in time, not by years, but by centuries. and it represents a clash not of nations but of culture, a clash of people who have been left behind and who

he's not henry kissinger. you can't have that diplomacy that you might have with henry kissinger, israel, egypt, 1975. >> '73. >> this is the other h-bomb. this is stanley fisher saying we're data dependent. the data, including the adp, says hike. we can put china in a box. china went up. they are going back with insider selling. i am not going to trade this on the idea that they're going to drop an h-bomb. here's some data that is healthy. we were at war with the japanese, okay, in 1945. we went -- we dropped and did the test in new mexico on july 16th. we dropped it august 6th. we want to put that into the equation, we're stupid. >> yeah. you're starting to include some really extreme levels of history. >> but strange love, another docudrama. let's sit back and say tomorrow are we going to talk about an h-bomb being tested again in north korea? there's been four other tests -- >> this is the fourth. >> i went back in time. here's a good way to recommend -- our country was once in a cold war with the soviet u

henry kissinger made a similar comments. tell by the way the republicans are doing everything in their power. karl rove up on a television against whher. why do we think that might be? oh yeah, because they think they can't beat her. you went through 2008, that sinking feeling of running a very qualified candidate, running a good campaign, but if seeing herself matched against -- but seeing yourself matched against a movement. a lot of independent young voters, the way they are supporting sanders now. are you getting deja vu that the same thing could be happening over again? guest: i think all of us have ptsd on the clinton site in 2008. we have both the best of those efforts. ma betweenbeenn no dra the national operation and the iowa operation. he is brilliant and humble, and that is a effective accommodation in iowa. others here on the ground. we have young people by the hundreds now, most of whom have been here since april, and they know they are going to caucus by name. mark: is that the truth, do they have a strong oper

it was much of it defined by what henry kissinger has often defined as the balance of power, the great game. but that is not what is defining the conflict we see today. i think most of you would make the judgment that there is not the same sense of threat that nation states are ready to put it all on the line, given the stakes and the types of weapons that we have today. which to act as det errents. but what we have seen today are nonstate actors, who have a very different sense of the stakes, who don't react the same way to the concept of deterrence. many of whom have decided, by the way, that they just as soon die as live. which is not the norm for most people's judgment. so, our strategy is different. our strategy, with respect to syria, certainly, is three-fold. what we're seeing emerge is really a transformation that represents not a clash of civilizations, because there's nothing civilized about daesh, it's barbaric, it's a step backwards in time, not by years, but by centuries. and it represents a clash not of civilizations but of culture and modernity. a clash of people who hav

[video clip] of henry kissinger. it was rejected by a publication. "the nation."t was known among cartoonist that if you had to try something or you wanted something that was "loaded," this was the place to go. they printed kissinger having sex with the globe, being the head of the woman. suggest that sexually, this guy is screwing the world. brian: what do you think? it is a family newspaper where i work so there are some limitations. i want to reach a large audience . i have not seen a lot of what david has done but they are mostly caricatures. i am a hard right-winger. very conservative. i am looking at these issues on their merits. not about personalities. i am an equal opportunity offender. it is about, when you make these drawings, how will it translate to the audience and how many people can i reach. crass, itsomething to is going to be limited. you can get controversy about it but controversy itself is not always good. thetimes, it overshadows point you're trying to make. sometimes the hardest decision to make is not running a cartoon. when johnny cochran

i read henry kissinger's book on china. the most important. may or may not be accurate. a recommendation on a book i may not have read about china that i can read in translation. doesn't have to be a desert island type of thing. >> the history book. 1522 or something. what is the year? anyway, it's a great history book. a random year. it's just aa nice way to put history and the perspective. >> it was memorable. i think the british chinese. >> i did. >> you turn this into a quiz show. >> it follows the life of beijing taxi truth before the present and basically takes you through 1500 years of chinese history. he history. he was a palace made he was raised at one point, a young bride sold in the prostitution. so in fiction format was a great way of thinking through the darkness in chinese history. >> the french historian and diplomat. anyway, the title of the book is the mobile empire. .. >> talked a lot about chinese history. in the follow-up -- >> okay, there is a book that i love which is edited by an anthropologist. and he headed it in a book of essays by chinese stud

that's why some folks, people like henry kissinger are concerned.be oil prices have come up a little bit. are the iranians going to continue to adhere to the deal. we'll see what happens. >> when you look at what it was that got rohani, the support. is it public support. is it at the end of the day they know this deal is popular or the supreme leader who is the power has decided to come to terms with reality? >> i think power in iran, the power of a politician in iran doesn't necessarily derive from the popular support. it's from the monopoly of coercio coercions. the iranian people overwhelmly want change. we shouldn't understood estimate the will for change but we shouldn't underestimate the will of the iranian hard liners for change. economic integration, reproachment with the united states poses more of a threat than continued isolation. what we have seen since the 1979 revolution has been these moments of great expectations followed by years of disillusionment. at the moment there are great expectations in tehran. the pattern here isn't necessa

but the most important person is henry kissinger. [laughter] that may or may not be accurate.laughter] so i want a recommendation for each of you that i can read in translation is not by one of the distinguished panelists. >> there is a history book of no significance was in the year of no significance it is a great history books and as you can see there are things going on. and vice way to do we do into perspective. >> it was a memorable. >> now this is turned into a quiz show. [laughter] almost like a taxi driver before the present one. with 1500 years of chinese history. and was a young bride sold into prostitution. infection informant was great in chinese history. >> with a historian and diplomat the title of the book is a mobile empire is about this moment when the british passenger ship in ambassador and then presents the latest but it fails in one of the speaking points but then the chinese had to explain it to them. there is a phone problem. [laughter] full of colorful and revealing items because the sailors saw a law. so it is a very revealing portrait of china in the

. >> that's when henry kissinger said he hopes they both lose.trump has the only chance really against the demographic headwinds that the republican candidate faces of getting -- >> i think he opens up -- >> the charisma. >> i think african-americans might if trump stays on this crazy immigration thing, see in his policies some kind of salvation in terms of -- >> but does he put new jersey and pennsylvania in play? >> i think he puts in play a lot of people, a lot of reagan democrats. >> can cruz do that? >> chris christie did it, why not donald trump. >> i think ted cruz. >> i don't know. >> comes down to trump and cruz. then you have a different dynamic going into -- >> you're right. >> -- from a general. >> we've got to roll. guys, good to see you. >> i was there when ted cruz was begging for money right here in manhattan. >>> coming up next right here on "hannity" -- >> the fact is we have the affordable care act. that is one of the greatest accomplishments of president obama, of the democratic party and of our country. >> her highness, hilla

book on china and discovered that the most important person in the history of china is henry kissingernd i may or may not be accurate. so what i want selfishly is a recommendation from each of you on a book that i may not have read about china that i can read in translation preferably that's not by one of the distinguished panelists here. doesn't have to be a desert island type of thing. >> oh, please don't start with me. >> peter. >> i don't know if i can remember the title, but there's a history book called 1522 or something, year of no significance. you guys probably know? what's the year? or is it the year of no significance? anyway, it's a great history book because he's kind of picking up a random year in the ming and not very important and as you see there's all kinds of things going on and it's a fascinating glimpse. it's a nice way to put history into pers pekt skpif to put what we do under perspective too. >> jiayang. >> i'm also blanking on the name of the book. it was memorable, just not its name. i think it was -- it's by a british-chinese author, susan barker. -- i did re

book on china and discovered the most important person in the history of china is henry kissinger. and i -- may or may not be accurate. what i want selfishly. is a recommendation from each of you on a book that i may not have read about china, that i can read in translation preferably, that's not by one of the distinguished panelists here. if, it doesn't have to be desert island type of thing. >> please don't start with me, david. >> pete centre. >> i don't know if i can remember a title, but there's a history book called, 1522, a year of no significance. what's the year? or is it just "the year of no significance." >> it's the ming dynasty. >> it's a great history book. just picking a random year in the ming, which is not very important. as you see there's all kinds of things going on and it's a fascinating glimpse. it's a nice way to put history into perspective and to put what we do into perspective as well. >> you? >> i'm also blanking out on the name of the book, but it was memorable. just not its name. i think it was, it's by a british-american, british-chinese author, susan

[video clip] >> it is a drawing of henry kissinger. it was rejected by a publication. >> by all other than "the nation." it was known among cartoonists that if you had to try something or you wanted something that was "loaded," this was the place to go. they printed kissinger having sex, with a globe being the head of the woman. it was to suggest that sexually, this guy is screwing the world. brian: what do you think? would you do something like that? michael: ibd is a family newspaper where i work, so there are some limitations. i want to reach a large audience. i have not seen a lot of what david has done, but they are mostly caricatures. they are really beautifully rendered, i really love them. you know, i am a hard right-winger, i guess you could say. very conservative. i am looking at these issues on their merits. not about personalities. i am an equal opportunity offender. it is about, when you make these drawings, how will it translate to the audience and how many people can i reach. and i think, if you do something too crass, i

or jerry yang, cofounder ofdeleine albright and henry kissinger no matter how many treaties they signed as they're all u.s. silt sense bornrticle ii, section i of the constitution says only "a natural born citizen" can be president. the phrase "natural born" has nothing to do with the lamaze it means being u.s. citizen at birth. but many of the men and women who have made america weren't born here. andrew carnegie a captain of felix frankfurter of the u.s. supreme court, albert einstein of the cosmos. they all had the ear of never be president nor do knute rockne, joseph pulitzer or irvingtional icons but not natural born u.s. citizens. america was small when the constitution was written, the framers feared britain would send a over the border to return america to the empire. that clause was their wall. seem much of a threat today. though prince harry might ab popular choice. today about 10% of americans arents. and they include some of the most accomplished people in the world. ariana huffington, george soro schwarzenegger might not care that they can't run for president. but we might

well, the secret in a nutshell comes down to the famous quote from henry kissinger, power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. numbers, data information have come to be very powerful. this guy may be a sex symbol like those birth-control eyeglasses. i have a little passage about this now go back for a moment and reach you to give you a flavor of how it is. this is a section called the grassroots of millionaires. though the term information economy has become a clichÉ, few have traced the stream of data to its head wars. the information that washes through daily life does have a source. you can seat in the mirror, it is you. the data, the institutions seek, accumulate, analyze and, analyze and constantly refresh comes largely from their clients. organizations recognize that people are willing, free of charge to provide data on themselves. time spent doing so is shadow work. data has emerged as another national resource. like water, oil, and iron. we are. we are living through the early decades of the information economy, comparable to the first decades of the petroleum boom in the 19th century. un

hen henry kissinger. carl row up on television against her. now, let's see.e think that might be. oh, yeah, because they know they can't beat her. senator rubio said, if this comes down to quality of resume we, we lose and they're going to. >> you went through 2,000 -- 2008, running a qualified candidate, a good campaign, but seeing yourself matched against a movement, and the movement being driven by a similar group supporting bernie sanders now. have you had any deja vu that the same thing could be happening again? >> i think we all have ptsd who were with clinton in 2008, but this time, we have the best of both of those efforts from 2008, whether you're talking about the field, i mean, you've got robbie mook who has been flawless. no drama between the national operation and the iowa operation. he's brilliant and he's humble and that's a very effective combination in iowa. and matt paul and michael hali here on the ground, and i promise you, we have young people by the hundreds now, who most of whom have been here since april and they know they're going to

henry kissinger will tell you, we need iran to stop the further collapse of the middle east. >> joe,ugh. go further here. do we expect, if he were to be more aggressive as you're describing him to be as a secretary of state, might we see progress and what might that look like in the spaces you're talking about in the middle east? >> he's pushing for it. the first sign of progress would be an actual cease-fire inner issia for humanitarian aid and a process to have elections and ease assad out. that is the first and likeliest place i would look and also ending the yemen civil war. those are the two that are front and center for kerry's agenda at this point. >> thank you so much, my friends and giving us your final thoughts of finishing what has been quite an interesting, shall we say, 48 hours and thanks very much. >> historic. thank you, richard. >> that does it for this hour. thank you for staying with us here on msnbc. we'll continue to bring you the very latest developments on iran throughout the evening right here on msnbc. we leave you with one last look at first picture released

being given the peace prize, try not to say more not than i had to, well, if they can give it to henry kissinger, they can give it to anybody. [laughter] whereas carter has become a beloved figure as the most ex-president,an in iran there are people with hard feelings toward him, all dating from that visit he made on the spur of the moment because his wife wanted to visit the shah. the ayatollahwhen khomheini was interviewed in paris before going to tehran and he was predicting the downfall of the shah. i always wondered why the shah allowed him to enter iran, do you have a comment on that? allowedis: he never ayatollah khomheini to reenter. he exiled him 14 years earlier and for most of the exile he was in iraq in a town we have all become familiar with over the last few years, where he would be visited regularly from pilgrims and he had a great religious influence there. he was operating out of a shrine domee first --, the gold shrine issued during much of the fighting with american. was set upbeen -- he there for most of his exile. then the shah approached saddam dispel and asked him to the s

and to put henry kissinger in jail. and there is no supreme court of the world but forget.is and what the court said. and other people think you can work out. >> justice breyer common -- anything that came out from a federal case to take more responsibilities it is beyond the scope of today's discussion. 120 think of that populism on the story of globalization and though lot? years ago talking about the supreme court in the changes that they made it does not shift with the wind. it does not change with the weather but the climate may have an impact. in different judges are named. and let's not be too specific because if you think the president will appoint a person who will agree on everything but teddy roosevelt appointed oliver wendell holmes. and roosevelt said i get more backbone out of a banana. [laughter] but talking about very general things or what the constitution is about or the principles of the constitution relate to life in america in the long and enduring principles and even there you may be mistaken. had had a lot of disagreements but i have never seen disagr

region, and even the world or look at it in a way that president nixon and then-secretary of state henry kissinger looked at china, as this incredibly important, albeit problematic country, a civilizational state with an enormous population sitting on an enormous endowment of hydrocarbons and see it as a rising power as nixon and kissinger saw president. president obama could be seeing and i think in some ways sees iran. then the trick is not to find how many more sanctions to impose, but to try to find out how many ways you can hook the united states into agreement after agreement after agreement with iran so that we slowly but surely realign the relationship and allow the united states to partner with iran where it's in our interests and to resolve our differences where we can. to me that is the imperative challenge and opportunity president obama has in his last year in office. whether he can do a nixon to china type of approach and really bring the united states into a new relationship in the middle east and with the muslim world. it is an absolutely imperative opportunity in my view for him t

in a conversation with henry kissinger, he spoke about the importance of the migrant issue in europeing absolute front and center and a linchpin of all else in europe. would you agree with that assessment when you look at the mood of germany? hans: yeah, and i think we'll know more in march when we have regional elections. there's a great deal of tumult. the question, is when is it going to manifest itself at the ballot box? we'll get a sense, these regional elections, some of the local states have regional elections. so far merkel's party, she's even up two points in the latest polls to 39%. merkel's party has held firm. st of the law has been s.p.d., so she's fine. but her party popular sit down. one other thing, 57% of germans want to see a reintroduction of border control. that is up 11% since the last time they polled. francine: i was going to ask about you that. we spoke to one of angela merkel's key allies. we were trying to get from him if she had to also change her stance, for example, on capping the number of foreigners allowed in. hans: well, the tapping issue is one where

henry kissinger's book of a few years ago i thought was remarkably good.ooks at migrants and refugees and the scale of the moment. it's centuries in length. tell me what the leaders face this migration? >> everyone is talking about this issue and no one has a solution. i think there is a solution but it's not my problem. the american say is not my problem and the swedes have already said this. less than 10% of the 5 million refugees made their way to europe. the walls will go up in the borders will get closed most of those syrians will stay in the middle east. of: what does that scale problem in international relations mean for our economic system not just in europe but in the western world? >> i think it's a lost opportunity. there is no question that if you can imagine some form of that it's a huge potential opportunity for germany and italy and demographically challenged countries. taking the short-term prediction , you have to think about aggressively supporting turkey and jordan. they are the ones bearing the burden of the refugees. francine: where is

president, that we found that national security professionals from both parties, including henry kissinger, david petraeus, brent scowcroft, michael chertoff all have come out in opposition on the grounds it would undermine our security and benefit isis. these are professionals. they understand the risk factors. what we should be doing is everything we can to protect us from the threat of isil. that means let's figure out ways that we can share intelligence information among all of our willing partners. let's provide the leadership, particularly in those countries in which isil can operate so that the governments represent all the communities. there's not a void so that the sunni minority population feel that their only safety is with isil. let's make sure we cut off all the financial support for isil, including their oil expaibilities the transport of oil of the and this is what the obama administration is doing. let's make sure that we do cut off any of their opportunities to expand their capacity. let's deal with foreign fighters, people who come from western countries that go to these

as henry kissinger testified before this committee, there is a struggle for power within states of conflict, between states, a conflict between ethnic and religious groups, and an assault on the international system. as general petraeus told us last year, almost every middle eastern country is now a battleground in one or more wars. for the past seven years, the obama industries and has soft to scale back -- sought to scale back america's involvement in the region. assuming that a post america middle east will be good for the region, and that regional powers will step up to police the region themselves. results of this massive gamble should not be clear to us all. no new order has emerged in the least, only chaos. the power vacuum has opened up in the absence of america. it has been filled by the most extreme and insight american forces, sunni terrorist groups, or extremist such as the islamic republic of iran and its proxies. and the imperial conditions of vladimir putin. these challenges were always going to be present and difficult, but he did not have to be this way, this dangerous. ins