henry kravitz, l gates, warren buffett and donald trump.[laughing] and trump pauses for a second and thinks about it and says, yeah, i can see that. that makes sense. [laughing] and i heard that story and i just thought to myself, i sometimes discount the value that investment bankers provide and the solutions they put up and had to say this to be a whole new appreciation for the cleverness of some investment bankers. anyway, deutsche bank did not have the scruples that bear stearns had when he came to deciding whom to link to. and it was so eager to develop a foothold in america and develop a presence on wall street that it needed to pick up the scraps that of the banks wouldn't touch. donald trump was one of those scraps, and it's starting in the late 1990s the bank started making low turn out to be about $2 billion in loans to trump over the next 20 years. by the time trump was elected president he still owed about $350 million. deutsche bank was by far his largest creditor. they financed all of this marquee projects including here in wa