let's go to henry lee, "san francisco chronicle." off, how is the community reacting to this lady calling out jaycee dugard? >> well, jaws have dropped completely throughout the region here in san francisco bay area. as you know, right, what better things can jaycee be doing to clear this person's name. clearly miss moleno is very upset about what happened to her and her husband. they own a wrecking yard. they take care of -- or they produce homemade raviolis at home. now they are the subject of law enforcement scrutiny. they believe now it's payback on the part of the sheriffs department, who might be looking elsewhere for trying to make up for what they did not do. which is trying to rescue jaycee dugard as early as 2006. >> let's be clear here, henry lee. what did they search for? lay it out there for us. what's the connection? how well does she know garrido, or her and her husband know garrido? >> the police are not saying why they looked into his house, except that her husband was wanted on an unrelated offense. mr. garrido woul

we have pat brosnan, a former homicide detective and henry lee, reporter for the "san francisco chronicleenry. and back with us, casey jordan, a criminologist and criminal law attorney. henry lee, you've been tracking this story from the start. what is the very latest on these cadaver dogs hitting on a human scent on the garrido property? >> well, jane, there are a couple of indications by at least two cadaver dogs of the presence of human remains. but right now as you can see from the pictures, both inside and out, that property is a mess. and they will spend most of the day today clearing out the debris, removing additional truckloads of soup of a property full of junk and plates strewn everywhere, tents and sheds. so before they have the dogs working on monday, they're going to make sure it's all cleared out for them to work carefully. >> well, listen, pat brosnan, i have to tell you, i have criticized the parole officers for not picking up on the fact that there was jaycee dugard and her two 11 and 15-year-old kids living in the backyard, or perhaps in this filth. i've criticized the

henry lee.tise and in your experience, in all the years that you have done experiments, have you ever known the state crime lab to open up in the middle of the night for dna testing? >> yes. in the past we did numerous times. not only open up in the middle of the night, sometimes we work on the new year's eve and christmas and just like a law enforcement officer, police officer, every day they seek just working 9:00 to 5:00 shift, it's not. we work all hours. >> dr. henry lee, when they say they took dna from him, would that only be a buccal swab, an oral swab that you do with a q-tip like object? >> actually we have three different types of and indicators to collect a buchal swab evidence, you're right, some of the media report saliva sample. we're not looking at the saliva, we're looking at the cheek cell, looking for nuclear dna, extracting the dna as a known control. then we have to compare those samples. there's 250 items of evidence, actually that's 250 items, not necessarily evidenceal vo

henry lee, how solid is the evidence on this? do they have this guy at this point? what do they have? >> well, official report, of course, the victim died of a neck compression. and the evidence, basically, there are a lot of videotapes and swipe card records, in addition to, of course, the dna evidence. according to the news report, they found her dna on his shoes and also his dna on her clothing. those clothing material was found on the top of the ceiling tile. this is extremely important. now you have the linkage. you put the victim suspect in a close contact range. also, you put the victim suspect in one location. and that's why they wait until the dna result to make the arrest. >> okay. a reminder, raymond clark is innocent until proven guilty, despite what seems to be a mounting amount of evidence. a criminologist joins us next. back with our guests in 60 seconds. en both have osteoporosis. but we're active. especially when we vacation. so when i heard about reclast, the only once-a-year iv osteoporosis treatment, i called joni. my doctor said reclast helps re

henry lee. henry, thank you for being with us. my first question is -- >> thank you, nancy. >> -- if clark did try to clean up, how could you tell? how could you tell by looking at the dna, by looking at the blood markings, that he was actually trying to clean up? how do you know the difference between a cleanup and blood spatter? >> okay. the blood spatter usually have defined characteristics, have shape and patterns. cleanup usually considers a smudge. if you use water or cleaning solution, now it become a diluted. we as experienced easily to tell. to say i don't understand, your report say police officers saw him clean his cleaning bottles. if the police officer saw him cleaning, should right away stop him, seize the evidence, and the blood spatter, which of course we can use hemorrhaging to restore the pattern to determine that's a drop or a medium-velocity impact spatter, even the impact spatter, then have to have another type of a traumatic force cause some bleeding. >> so, dr. lee, my simple rudimentary interpretation of wh

henry lee, who joins us tonight. forensic scientist, renowned forensic scientist and investigator, live from hamden, connecticut tonight. dr. lee, you have such a vast experience in regard to dna and forensic discovery and investigation. hearing what has just been done, that these dogs have been taken into this building that is quite large, the last known building that annie le was seen to go into, what does that tell you? >> well, that's pretty clear. more likely they bring the bloodhound. connecticut state police canine unit would have an excellent reputation. a lot of good trained dog and handlers. so they have to go through each laboratory, every floor, every corner. sometime, you know, have to go to the underground and look for any place because she apparently 10:00 was saw inside the building. she has to be someplace. and they did -- law enforcement did the right thing to have federal, state, local joint task force to work on with fbi, connecticut state police, new haven police to work together. this is a missin

let's bring back henry lee, "san francisco chronicle." sn't that the account, a neighbor said they thought five girls were in this backyard? all we know of for sure is jaycee and her two daughters, right. >> that's right, mike. jaycee has preliminarily told investigators that she knows of no other potential victims. now, keep in mind we don't know who that fifth person was. it very well could have been phillip garrido's mother, suffering some illness or a neighbor child, we just don't know who that person was. >> good point. henry, how much contact has jaycee had with investigators, do we know. >> i'm sure it's been limited. we haven't been told how much she's told investigators, mike. obviously it's a sensitive time. they had to give her time to reun with her family before they ask her all these certainly very specific questions they want answered. >> to wendy walsh on that, wendy, obviously jaycee dugard is a great source of information here but how long do you have to wait? when will she be ready to answer investigators' questions in fu

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henry lee. dr. lee, it is wonderful to see you again. i only wish it was in person. dr. forensic investigators be holding back right now? why would they hold back cause of death? >> well, they're not really holding back. basically right now they have to confirm. they have so much evidence to look at. basically this is a three-prong approach of the investigation. one is look at videotape, look at electronic card entry, second one is look at the timeline analysis. 10:10 she was saw. did she have a particular reason to two to the bachlt and what the routine she does? the third one, of course, whether or not she was sexual asalted. if it was sexual assaulted, dna of that. whether her fingernails have tissue material. some individual have some type of injury. of course, her clothes. where's her clothes? any knife injury or any damage? and clothing found in the tile, those have to test whose blood is it? any touch dna? of course, people have to understand, say, her body was found inside the wall. it's kind of misleading because a lot of basement have false ceiling, false wall.

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joining me henry lee, reporter for the "san francisco chronicle." always stazy kaiser, psyc psychotherapist. henry, that is one of our fears, what garrido might have done to what we believe are his own daughters. what do we know? >> reporter: jaycee dugard is telling investigators according to sources that mr. garrido did not sexually assault her two daughters. jaycee was only 11. her daughters are 15 and 11. so that was the key question everyone was interested in. the answer thank goodness it looks like he didn't do anything to the daughters. >> this is jaycee telling law enforcement this, that is our source? >> that's correct. >> stacy, a couple of things. how difficult must it br for jaycee to talk to anyone except those closest to her? >> it has to be incredibly difficult. this is a girl, a woman now, hiding and protecting secret nor most of her life. to reveal them has to be really traumatizing. >> we hope this is the case, stacy. a loot of people wonder what she has gone through mentally. could she be saying this to help her daughters avoid the

henry lee served as state police commissioner in connecticut, and now he helped to advise the forensicsamworking this case in recent days and says that the access cards have provided a time line inside the lab building on the last day that annie le was seen alive, revealing any opportunities a suspect would have had to harm annie le. what could the swipe cards tell us? >> they tell us that they have a means or opportunity. >> there are reports that the cards -- the swipe cards put them both in the last room where she was. >> that's become very crucial information. >> and sources tell us there were also e-mails or text messages between clark and le. that clark at one point claimed about the condition of the mice cages in the lab, that they had been left dirty. it was his job as technician to clean them. this those message -- in those messages he suggested the two of them meet. the authorities would not say if the communication went beyond that. after days of following raymond clark, tuesday night, the detectives moved in with a warrant to obtain dna samples from his hair, his fingernails

henry lee. henry, thank you for being with us.tion is -- >> thank you, nancy. >> -- if clark did try to clean up, how could you tell? how could you tell by looking at the dna, by looking at the blood markings that he was actually trying to clean up? how do you know the difference between a cleanup and blood spatter? >> okay. the blood spatter usually have defined characteristics, have shape and patterns. cleanup usually considers a smudge. if you use water or cleaning solution, now it become a diluted blood stain. we as experienced scientists easily can tell. the thing i don't understand, your report say police officers saw him cleaning his cleaning bottles. if the police officer saw him cleaning, should right away stop him, seize the evidence, and the blood spatter, which, of course, which we can use hemorrhaging to restore the pattern to determine that's a drop or a medium-velocity impact spatter. if there was a medium-velocity impact spatter, then would have to have another type of traumatic force cause some bleeding. >> right.

henry lee, who helped advise the forensics team, said this arrest likely came after a dna match. when you heard of that arrest this morning, did that say to you right away, there must have been a dna match? >> yes, i know dna had a match. and of course, it's a relief. this case is a sad case, a young lady was murdered. >> reporter: now, the police chief here reiterated again today that he does not believe that le and clark had any kind of romantic relationship at any point in the past. in fact, charlie, he described the relationship this way. she was a ph.d candidate, he a lab technician. they would pass in the halls here. >> david, thank you. >>> a verdict was rushed late today in a trial of a high school football coach accused in a player's death during a tough practice on a hot day. and this is a case that was matched by high schools across the country. a jury in kentucky found jason stinson not guilty in the death of the 15-year-old player, and deliberations that lasted only 90 minutes. eric horng is in louisville. >> reporter: the coach ordered the students to run sprints. >

henry lee, can you get rid of dna with, for instance, a cleaning solution? >> yes, in fact, yes.v light can destroy some dna evidence and bleach solution can destroy some evidence. however, what this case so important is his clothing, boots, from her dna. >> exactly. >> her clothing from his dna, depends on the inner layer or outer layer. the most inner layer clothing on his dna become even more important. >> to a neighbor of raymond clark's, annmarie goodwin, a special guest joining us tonight from hamden, connecticut. thank you for being with us, ms. goodwin. what was your impression of him? how stunned were you when you heard this news? >> i was shocked, but knowing him like i did, which wasn't that well, i believe that he could have done it. >> why do you say that? >> just because he seemed like the type of person that could snap at any minute. >> has it ever been reported that he had a controlling personality, a control freak? >> yeah. i've said that. i said, i know him to be controlling with his girlfriend. >> in what way? >> just bossing her around, telling her to, come on

henry lee, can you get rid of dna with, for instance, a cleaning solution? >> yes, in fact, yes.uv light can destroy some dna evidence and bleach solution can destroy some evidence. however, what this case so important is his clothing, boots, from her dna. >> exactly. >> her clothing from his dna, depends on the inner layer or outer layer. the most inner layer clothing on his dna become even more important. >> to a neighbor of raymond clark's, ann marie goodwin, a special guest joining us tonight from camden, connecticut. thank you for being with us, ms. goodwin. what was your impression of him? how stunned were you when you heard this news? >> i was shocked, but knowing him like i did, which wasn't that well, i believe that he could have done it. >> why do you say that? >> just because he seemed like the type of person that could snap at any minute. >> has it ever been reported that he had a controlling personality, a control freak? >> yeah. i've said that. i said, i know him to be controlling with his girlfriend. >> in what way? >> just bossing her around, telling her to, come

henry lee served as state police commissioner in connecticut.w he runs his own forensic center at the university of new haven. he says those access card have provided a timeline inside that lab building on the last day annie le was seen alive, revealing any opportunities a suspect would have had to harm annie le. >> what do those cards tell us? >> we have an opportunity that we're going to be together. >> there are reports those swipe cards put them in that room, the last room where anyone was. >> that's crucial information. >> sources tell us there are texts and e males between clark and le, that clark had complained to le that the cages were dirty. after days of following raymond clark, tuesday night detectives moved in with a warrant to obtain dna samples were clark. they tried to question him but he quickly invoked his rights to attorneys offering little to investigators. then 3 a.m. went morning they let him go. criminal experts say it's not uncommon to let a criminal experts say it's not uncommon to let a prime suspect go after questioning

henry lee, can you get rid of dna with, for instance, a cleaning solution? >> yes, in fact, yes.ght can destroy some dna evidence and bleach solution can destroy some evidence. however, what this case so important is his clothing, boots, from her dna. >> exactly. >> her clothing upon his dna. depends on the inner layer or outer layer. the most inner layer clothing on his dna become even more important. >> to a neighbor of raymond clark's, annmarie goodwin, a special guest joining us tonight from hamden, connecticut. ms. goodwin, thank you for being with us. what was your impression of him? how stunned were you when you heard this news? >> i was shocked, but knowing him like i did, which wasn't that well, i believe that he could have done it. >> why do you say that? >> just because he seemed like the type of person that could snap at any minute. >> has it ever been reported that he had a controlling personality, a control freak? >> yeah. i've said that. i said, i know him to be controlling with his girlfriend. >> in what way? >> just bossing her around, telling her to, come on, hu

and although the police chief in new haven has not confirmed the dna evidence, henry lee, who served as state police commissioner here, says there is no question there's been a dna match in this case. when you heard about the arrest this morning? >> yes. >> reporter: did that say to you there must have been a dna match? >> i know it was a dna match. this is a sad case. a young lady was murdered. >> reporter: and dr. lee points to the access cards, swiped to get from room-to-room in that building. computer records show that annie le entered a small room off of the lab in the basement and never used her card again. reports say that raymond clark was swiped into that room, too. and raymond clark's co-workers have now begun to come forward, telling police clark was a control freak. who viewed the lab and the mice as his territory. and abc news has learned that clark had expressed his frustration over dirty mice cages. but officials have not given a motive. two of raymond clark's high school friends told me, he was a popular baseball and football player, friendly. but they are aware of th