show business and politics and all of these things were coming together, but most significantly for henry luzas what he saw to be an explosive market of people with leisure becoming more and more interested in sports as spectators, he is very sophisticated about it, it was not just about who won and who lost, but the sub text of all of that because the real idea was -- and true sports, we tell each other stories that tell each other who we are, our values are -- >> opera, sports -- funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. >> we want school died have more exposure to the arts, maybe you want to provide meals for the immediate difficult. or maybe you want to ten when the unexpected happens. >> projects from american express can help in the first step. donate to the causes you believe in. >> additional funding provided by these funders: bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. >> from captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> antonio pappano is here, he is the music director and chief