shoining me is henry marsh the third. senator, the governor has now apologized. he said slavery is an evil and inhumane act. it should have been in the proclamation. he issued an amendment. case closed. do you accept the apology? >> he has a right to apologize, but i don't accept that. this is a pattern of this governor. he says the wrong thing. he makes an apology. this has happened many, many times. i think it's a question of whether or not he's sincere or not. >> a question of whether or not he's sincere. i want to follow up on that point. i believe you were the first african-american mayor of the city of richmond. governor wilder is the first african-american elected governor in the united states and from a state that was once the capital of the confederacy. we have our first african-american president who lives in the white house. why are we still having these debates? >> i think it's a question of recognizing that this is not the last centry. this is a new century. we expected him to do that, but his actions have belied what he said. i mean, he came in cutt