university of chicago thing, the same expert witness, elizabeth dilling, got a call from henry ford of the ford motor company. he paid elizabeth dilling $5,000 to come to michigan to expose all the evil communists at the university of michigan and try to get the university of michigan shut down as well. then it was california. the los angeles chamber of commerce paid elizabeth dilling to come to southern california, where she assured everyone that she had confirmed that ucla was a hot bed of communism, presumably also free love. she did the same thing at cornell. she did the same thing at northwestern, trying to get all of these universities shut down. they wanted all of these universities shut down, as evil, subversive, communist institutions. they did not get the university shut down. but a lot of very rich, very influential people were working on this. this is what they thought was a main stream political project. as weird as it sounds, this is a thing they really put at the center of their agenda. and the expert who they had work on all these campaigns, elizabeth dilling, she was a piece of work on her o