henry siegman, can you respond?> well, the only difference i can think of is that in israel they made the heads of the two major pre-state terrorist groups prime ministers. so this distinction he's drawing is simply false -- it's not true. the heads of the two terrorist groups, which incidentally, again, going back to benny morris, in his book, "righteous victims," he writes, in this pre-state account, that the targeting of civilians was started by the jewish terrorist groups, and the arab -- and the arab groups followed. >> you're talking about irgun and the stern gang. >> yes, yes. and as you know, both the head of the irgun and both the head of the stern gang -- i'm talking about begin and shamir -- became prime ministers of the state of israel. and contrary to netanyahu, public highways and streets are named after them. >> henry siegman, former head of the american jewish congress. we'll continue our conversation with him in a minute. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace