henry clay. do a wholeeeded to bunch of things that cause that to happen. matthew: john berry in his book about the whole period of gingrich -- the wright speakership, also quotes gingrich, i don't know if it was a same conversation where he says this person could be the most powerful speaker in a generation. we have to do whatever we can to weaken him. he uses very aggressive tactics. many republicans including bob michael and many people in the conservative opportunity society thought to gingrich was out there. they thought, what are you doing? gingrich was relentless. he kept finding issues or saying there were issues and pushing and pushing. whether you agree or disagree with what he did, he proved to be much -- the masterful at using the press at creating a story around wright, but he was somehow corrupt. and it proved too difficult for wright and his allies to overcome. you talked about doing research in the archives. trend on who was holding onto these materials? was at the winners, losers, people running the campaign's, was there and acknowledgment that this was a historical event worth documenting and holding onto? matthew:whether you agree or die with