none other than henry wyman. who does he -- why go to crozer theological seminary? because edwin aubrey, mays' dissertation adviser was president at the seminary. my argument is that mays is the driving force bebe hind king being a socially committed activist preacher. that was mays' whole vision of not just creating king. he wanted to do it at howard university divinity school. he wanted to do that again by the creation of here in this town, the interdenominational theological seminary. it was mays' vision that black preachers were at the root the closest to ordinary black people. right? and that they, if they were well trained, that they move the masses toward freeing themselves from this constant oppression in the south. so my argument is this is why i spent time writing a book about mays. because i think he gets -- even martin is quoting mays, no mays in a number of sermons, and his influence, it is mays that gives him the world stage. mays introduces him to world church leaders. opens the way for the meeting with christians and jews. the national conference of