it started from a general by the name of herb loftin. he was trying to bring african- american men together and focus on bible study and navigating life. and it started with two or three friends that he knew that attended church with him. and it has grown to now we have a session every tuesday night. maybe 65-70 men come. they are an eclectic group. we have baptist and a large group of catholic. we have muslims. we have some people who were agnostic and et cetera. >> and you have methodist now? >> we have folks that have been very accomplished in their careers. the junior college district. presidents of colleges. former mayors. city council. lawyers, businessmen, developers. >> one of the things i found interesting was in my first time, they said they wanted two things not to be mentioned, title and denomination. >> that is right. so you don't get in the way. >> you leave that at the door. you go on a first name basis. they respect everyone. we have to listen and that is what we are working hard on. forcing ourselves. and sometimes you h