i disagree -- sdmrfshgs, you do. >> herbalife. i believe bill was 100% right on his analysis and the ftc bore him out pretty much almost to the very end. i think that in the end individual companies that do blow up etfs notwithstanding all the way up, the stocks will go up because of whatever the algorithms and machines and etfs do. when the moment hits that things go bad that's when it comes tumbling down especially in these kind of markets and i think -- so i think that the issue of individual stocks still hold. he he herbalife is different. it became a personality clash. the one thing that surprised me all along is to see so many people on the opposite side of that one that normally wouldn't have been with me but they were betting against bill. >> yeah. he inspires that sometimes, guys, thanks so much. bethany and herb. >>> well, every time a winter storm hits you can expect long lines at the hardware store for every kind of snow removal device or salt or generators but do winter storms have that much of an effect on the bottom

herbalife is far from zero. change his investment style to be much more pragmatic and maybe more of a lynn until investment model in terms of producing more straightforward returns. sources inside of ackman's camp, no way. he is not changing. he has $11 billion under management. you will not see a different bill ackman in the years ahead. the question becomes can a bill ackman that is not different survive in this hedge fun business? a lot of hedge fund money goes if there now, if there are some individuals, rich people, people, or if you can buy a hedge fund through, anthony scaramucci's formerly of skybridge, like a fund of funds, a lot of money comes through pension funds, teacher endowments. teacher retirement funds they put money in hedge funds. they want much more stable returns. so the question is, can he survive in that environment? it is an open question on wall street. he thinks he can. there is one thing that is interesting right now going on wall street, liz. there is a debate about the hedge fund bu

herbalife may be slowly but surely beginning to go his way. but, you know, this is very -- it's very tough to be a bill ackman investor. if i were a bill ackman investor right now i'd be really pissed off about valeant. plus he still has exposure on the allergen case that hasn't been settled yet. >> he did have a really good long-term record before this occurred. however, part of that was because his investment target, which was pretty substantial, as a matter of fact, the only place we see inflation working is in the size of losses that he's taken on some of his investments because you had target, j.c. penney and you go back and had sears. so he should stay away from retail, and he said he might do that going forward. number two, it's been when he's been on the athlete that you've had such a problem with him rather than doing the fundamental analysis with that. it was very clear to a lot of others, jim chanos who you mentioned before that valeant was going to work. so maybe if it was a situation of less of him having to put his complete impri

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restaurant brands chipotle, mondelez, and the big short herbalife is trading well.re focused on what he's buying. he disclosed in january that he took two positions that represent 13% of his $11 billion portfolio, but he has not said what they are yet. regardless, this could be a big year for the investor that was once dubbed baby buffet. his net returns have been negative the last two years and lagged the s&p 500 during three of the last four years. his performance struggles are not alone though. it's an issue that's plagued much of the active investing community over the last few years leading many to criticize the concentrated bets that hedge fund managers like ackman tend to make after the $4 billion loss he could use a win to assuage investor concerns. >> where does he stand today versus where he began the valeant stake? >> he's seeing a decline in assets under management over the last few years with this being one of the prime measures of trades having gone wrong but that said, he still has a source of permanent capital with the publicly traded entity over in

it's huge bet on herbalife is still dragging on and has not quite played out the way he was hoping.nywhere. chipotle, shares are where they are when he got involved. sincee not seen a run-up fully started to make changes. not a lot ofad luck lately. the valeant loss will really staying in light of other investors who have not performed as he was hoping. david: does it tell us something more broadly? how much are they really tied into a single individual? i'm never quite sure where the hedging is. >> i think activist investors are much more tied to an individual. ackman is being the best example. becomes situations, it very much about the person. they attract a lot more attention for investment they make, which can be a good thing and a bad thing. you might have people jumping on the opposite end, to take the opposite that he is taking. it does become a personality game at some point especially when you have the situation so toopoken, arguably in it long and you have made it so big that it does start to reflect on you personally. it is a tough business and he is not having a good day

. >> valiant hasn't worked out, herbalife, they have redemptions.have to do something. >> or just you had some voice on the board, maybe their strategy doesn't seem like it's going to go the way you want. >> chipotle shares are not moving hugely which surprises me more on that. >> yeah. >> they've been kind of bouncing around the floor. >> yeah. all right. we'll continue to follow the story. that's for pershing the secondary. >> uber board member arianna huffington weighs in the company used a tool to evade authorities in cities where the service is banned and we'll discuss how the french election could impact the market especially if it does result in the nation leaving the eu. better value by having better values? at blue apron, we work directly with more than a hundred family farms. so instead of spending on costly middlemen and supermarkets, we can invest in the things that matter most: making farmland healthier. cutting down on food waste. and bringing you higher quality, fresher ingredients for less than you pay at the store. because food is b