the program is named am her e herbert dow. >> host: what dot you do at national review. >> guest: other aim writer. i've been on the staff for 18 years. it was full-time job for a long time. lived in washington, dc and work out of the washington bureau, five years ago i got recruit come to hillsdale and remained on the staff of national review but it's a part-time thingy your from michigan originally. >> guest: i ham a detroiter. born and raised. in and around to the city. and went to university of michigan. and upon graduation, went out to washington and unexpectedly had a chance to come back home five years ago. >> host: and what was that experience like? >> guest: that was great. i liked living in washington- -- welcome washington, d.c. i was not looking to leave. my wife thought we would retire to michigan. but then i was fortunate enough to get a phone call and get a job here, and we kept talking about we're moving home. >> host: are you glad you did snide oh, yeah itch don't miss washington. i liked living there, but i don't miss it. and i prefer it in michigan. it dot feel like m