can you imagine under the administration of herbert hoover a more appropriate metaphor? so he is in the state dining room in black tie hosting a big dinner for the staff and the cabinet, the kids, the marine band, and the west wing goes up in flames, there is an electrical fire. being at one with the people herbert hoover in black tie with a cigar goes over and watches the firemen try to save the oval office. so if you are looking for a metaphor for where the country was headed into the end of the 1920s, into the 1930s, herbert hoover's oval office being set on fire is about as good as it can get. >> that's a good one. >> if you want to go further back, we will wait a few minutes and i will come up with some things. but it really is, kids, sugar plums meet c-span. here we go. >> did hoover's wife run and go and cut a portrait out and save maybe car in he goy or a rockefeller portrait or anything like that like dolly madison did in the war of 1812? >> i kind of like mrs. hoover. she actually wanted the band to keep playing. so it's like the titanic. they kept playing the

others included former president herbert hoover and perennial socialist candidate norman thomas. college campuses were hotbeds of antiwar fervor almost as much as during the vietnam war. thanks to orders from american -- for american weapons and goods, and for the first time since the great depression, good times were rolling in the united states. you can understand from an economic perspective people didn't want to go to war. they wanted to enjoy. they could finally purchase a refrigerator, finally had enough food to eat. there were other reasons. there were the enduring memories of the wiping out of a generation of young european men in the trenches of the western front in world war i. there were also these basic questions about rescuing the king of england and history's largest colonial empire. through this all, fdr was not idle. unlike president wilson whom he served during world war i who in the run up to world war i said we have to be neutral in thought and act, president roosevelt pursued what were recognized quite widely as decidedly un-neutral actions. most significantly

rosa parks, fbi director, herbert hoover. >> i have to say, it proves in a moment like this, they can away from differences and not shut down the governmt ich shows if they can communicate with each other, perhaps they can watch this week and learn some lessons. >> one of the things we were talking about, w g thatrge bush's compromise and his willingness to compromise was fatal to his ambitions to be reelected. and it was newt gingrich and others who came up behind him. i >>is a lesson many have learned the hard way. >> towed break his pledge not to raise taxes. i think they call the tax revenue enhancements. it was taxes and he paid dearly politically for that. but the government did stay ope west didn't see a shutdown until the 1990s. >> will today's elected officials s do i want to be remembered for could go the right thg? what lesson do they take away, that you get remembered for doing the right thing in the moment? or that he paid a steep pric and he was not a two-term president because of it. >> we can hear the motorcad. i can tell you, vpee president e is set to speak and we ar

he could've been herbert hoover or franklin d. roosevelt. he wanted to be roosevelt. rep. issa: i wanted him to be reagan. reagan use laws. we tried to explain this to the administration. reagan was given laws passed during jimmy carter, and bill isaac, who was his fdic chair at the time, used those tools to underwrite the true value of assets held by banks and thus stabilizing the banks. we wanted him to use that as all or most of what we did with of these troubled assets. these assets, the so-called tarp assets, they were held all over the world. by throwing this $800 billion, in many cases we wrote large checks to other countries and other places. in other words, we were stabilizing global markets, while in fact stabilizing the banks instead of writing them a check and taking partial control of bank of america, wells fargo and others, we could have as easily said what are you holding? what is its true value? remember, the underlying assets were real estate, real estate that we knew even in the great depression were only going to go down to 60% of value. in reality, it o

the president believes powell could turn him into herbert hoover the u.s.sident at the beginning of the great depression. the president discussed firing powell. in a statement the democratic leaders say it's christmas eve and president trump is plunging the country into chaos. the stock market is tanking and the president is waging a personal war on the federal reserve. and there could prompt a break through with negotiations with china. >> there will be a deal. but whether it has substance is something else. >> u.s. and chinese negotiators will hold a meeting next month. who chinese hackers were indicted for a massive campaign to steal company secrets across the world. >> congressional democrats and republicans appear no closer to reaching a resolution for president trump's border wall leading to a quarter of the federal government shutting down over the weekend. top trump administration officials warn it could stretch into january. ellison has the perspective from the white house. >> good evening. president trump met with his secretary of homeland securit

it's a reference to herbert hoover.e president has criticized powell for rate hikes that have led to turmoil on wall street. it was the subject of phone calls yesterday between treasury secretary and the heads of the nation's six largest banks. it focussed on the financial health of the banks. wall street found none of this comforting as the sell off continued during a shortened trading session. the dow dropped 653 points marking the worst christmas eve trading day ever. stan, good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> there aren't a lot of presidents in history who have enjoyed federal reserve increasing interest rates. h this is historic. it's the first time we have seen this demeaning of the federal reserve. >> i think that's right. it's particularly concerning because maco economro economic conditions are quite good. inflation is around 2%. if anything the federal reserve is doing a spectacular job. they haven't inflicted a recession or hiked rates leading to higher unemployment rates. even if un

. >> reportedly he's telling people that powell is going to turn him into a herbert hoover. that's how concerned he is about the economy, which seems a little overheated to me. but it would be kind of ironic if he was hoisted by his own patard of sexism, firing the praised federal reserve chairman for not being tall enough. maybe there's some binders on high shelves on the federal reserve he didn't think she could reach, or something. obviously a sexist assessment of her fine work. i don't really know if she would be doing a different job, but at least he could wonder, maybe, if he has the self-awareness of maybe he made a mistake. >> alexis, obviously the sort of political economy of the federal reserve is complicated. there's this idea of independence and the important of that, and sometimes i think that's been taken way too far to the detriment of the real economy. this is sort of uncharted waters, the current dynamic between the sitting president of the united states and the fed chair at this moment. >> i think so. but i also think, look, the president has a bully pulpit

foreign assistance programs dating back to really the first was a private effort, herbert hoover's famous committee for relief in belgium during world war i where really with no assistance from the u.s. government at all he developed an enormous program for feeding civilian populations in war-stricken europe. we've got to have more effective delivery mechanisms. i think we're going to look hard as i mentioned in the speech, what's the best way to provide this assistance. i would reveal my biases again if i said i was an a.i.d. alumnus. i understand bilateral programs and been at the u.n. and had my views on that as you know. but look, this is a complex process. if it were easy to do, it would be done already. there are a lot of bright prospects here and we will be talking to some of the other donor nations as well as we conclude our review and see if they might not be up for looking at their programs too. >> you mentioned also in the context of the new africa strategy you're taking a strong and hard and close look at u.n. peacekeeping operations in africa and mentioned that the principle

that confronted the 2008 financial crisis, the new york times says powell could turn him into herbert hoover, the us president at the beginning of the great depression, bloomberg says the president considered firing powers they discuss more fed increases next year. democratic congressional leaders say, quote, is christmas eve and donald trump is plunging the country into chaos. the stock market is tanking and the president is waging a personal war on the federal reserve. analysts say the drop could break through the administration's trade negotiations with china. >> the president is going to be under a lot of pressure, the market continues to make a deal. so there will be a deal. whether it has real substance is something else. >> us and chinese negotiators will hold trade discussions next month as the two countries argue over several issues, last week the justice department indicted two chinese hackers for what officials describe as a massive years long campaign to steal company secrets across the world. >> congressional democrats and republicans are no closer to reaching a resolution over

, we have a federal presidential library system in n the country that was created by fdr from herbert hooverto barack obama and would most likely include the current president. this is the short version. i'm glossing over the details. richard nixon's library though because of his own unique relationship in the federal government which was not good in the 70s and 80s, his library existed outside of the federal system. its first director claims he was joking but he said anti-nixon scholars like bob woodward would be welcome there. for 17 years, the library existed as a private facility. a deal with the need with the archives to bring the library into the federal presidential library system and that is what happened in 2007 and because nixon's library had this on unique history there was a bit of momentum to introduce real history and nonpartisan public programming so i was a graduate student at the university of california irvine in 2010, and that is in i decided to become an intern and eventually i was hired to be the assistant director, and i did a lot of research work and helped in the fina

and i don't mean as simple as advocacy, i joke about it, we are not apologists, we are not the herbert hoover chamber of commerce, to have any credibility and i hear my colleagues, whatever it is if it is a book or film, tour or redoing a museum exhibit, the point is to be as rigorous in your scholarship without surrendering popular appeal. the deadliest words in the english language are either or and this notion that you can be scholarly or you can be popular you can't be both. the fact is, people come to our sites, everyone walks through the door, you credit with having sufficient intellectual curiosity to want to know something. they made the effort to be there. secondly, it is like any good story telling exercise. it just so happens in the hoover sorry it's a roller coaster. there are higher highs and lower lows and it's extraordinary and poignancy and humor, so much in any event. all of those, it seems to me you have an obligation to the ultimate constituents and those are the people who don't have a phd next to their name, but who have something just as good. they have historical curios

herbert hoover had enormous experience, saving europe from starvation after the first world war and was not a great president, maybe for circumstances beyond his control. constitution sets up minimum criteria and if you do not like him, amend the constitution. itis difficult but they made deliberately difficult, that is why there are so few amendments to the constitution but it has endured longer than any written constitution in the world. john marshall, the fourth chief justice, was largely responsible as he understood what judicial review was and the limitations on the judiciary and he was the framer of the role of the supreme court, particularly in using the constitution and making it a document for the ages. host: jack, independent, salt lake city, utah. caller: i have loved following you and love your position on the constitution. something has bothered me for so many years going back to the o.j. simpson trial. you were on "crossfire" and said it was reasonable for the defense to live in a tribe -- lie in a trial because the prosecution lies. guest: i would never say that. that is

[laughter] think about herbert hoover before roosevelt when the depression had started. he did not have that optimism or willingness to experiment that fdr had. mckinley probably could not have done what teddy roosevelt did had he not been assassinated, he might've had a less progressive movement to deal with all the turmoil to deal with. i don't think jfk could have gotten the civil rights bill through. this was a southern president who understood the congress and was calling them at all hours. he says i hope i didn't wake you up, the senator says no, just looking at the ceiling hoping my president would call. [laughter] if the congress was not there he would talk to the wife, or the else i don't see who besides him could have together the majority with the republicans helping him to break the filibuster. david: can you both address the idea of emotional intelligence. use that phrase in the book. the ability to master narrative for the country, to be a great storyteller. you write about lincoln this way, but we think about in the more modern history with lbj. having a s

new york times" reports the president has told aides he believes powell could turn him intois herbert hoover. the u.s. president at the beginning of the great depression. bloomberg reports the president has discussed firing powell as the fed chair forecasts more rate increases next year. in a statement, democratic congressional leaders say "it's christmas eve and president trump is plunging the country into chaos. the stock market is tanking and the president is waging a personal war on the federal reserve. analysts say the market dropped could also prompt a breakthrough in thehe administrations trade negotiations with china. >> the president is going to be under a lot of pressure if this market and continues to some kind of deal. so there will be a deal but whether it has real substance is something else. >> u.s. and chinese negotiators are scheduled to hold trade discussions next month as the two countries argue over several issues. it just last week the justice department indicted two chinese hackers for what officials described is a massive years long campaign to steal company secrets ac

. >> but think about herbert hoover who was there before franklin roosevelt when the depression had already started and he didn't have that optimism, he didn't have that experiment that fdr did. mckinley probably could have done what roosevelt did. with the turmoil of the time and the populism of of the time. and i don't think that jfk could've gotten the civil rights bill through the way a southern president who understood the congress and was calling up those congressman at 6 in the morning at noon at midnight at 2 a.m., some sinners lying there. he would say i hope i didn't wake you up, no i was just looking at the ceiling hoping my president would call [ laughter ] if the congressman was not there he would talk to the wife if the wife was not there he would talk to the kids and he would say you tell your dad he's got to go along with me on this bill. i don't see who else could i put together the majority to break the filibuster. >> can you both address the idea of emotional intelligence, you use that phrase doors in the book. the ability to master narrative for the country and be a grea

about jerome powell that the fed chair, that he described him as turning him into hoover meaning herbert hoover who is associated with the great depression. other things, as well, but certainly a bad economy. he is very concerned and knows that a bad economy makes it much harder to keep his approval ratings where they are and they're not in a great place and make it harder to run for re-election which not everyone around him is convinced he does. it's hard to see him just walking away. the stock market has always been his pull. this is a person who likes to measure things through stats of some kind. it's hard to balance the trade twhaer wants with the stock market that he wants and he is always testing whatever market is in front of him to see what it will absorb. he's going to take the trade war as far as he can and it's going to take a comeback like today as evidence he can push it further. >> he has good reason to be watching the market and watching an the economy? >> yes, he has every reason because his major accomplishment in the eyes of most americans has been the quality of the economy.

. >> herbert hoover was the first one to live into his 90s.these days. >> one of the other singers on today's program is gospel singer michael smith. he wrote a song after the 9/11 attacks and performed it. it was called "there she stands." he performed it at the 2004 republican convention invited by president george w. bush to sing. >> it says something about the former president that he chose a journalist to be his biographer in jon meacham. i said how did you get this gig? he said i asked. it's a great story. it didn't look like president bush was looking to settle scores. he was looking for who could tell a story. jon meacham can tell a nice story. >> he spoke at barbara bush's. he delivered the eulogy there. >> he got to know him in 1998 when they first met. he did a terrific job with it. >> these musical preludes are from the armed forces chorus. the military so beautifully represented here in every way. >> the army band is here. the bus was out front. >> this beautiful gothic cathedral was badly damaged in the earthquake, that rare eart

foreign assistance programs dating back to really the first was a private effort, herbert hoover's famous committee for relief in belgium during world war i where really with no assistance from the u.s. government at all he developed an enormous program for feeding civilian populations in war-stricken europe. we've got to have more effective delivery mechanisms. i think we're going to look hard as i mentioned in the speech, what's the best way to provide this assistance. i would reveal my biases again if i said i was an a.i.d. alumnus. i understand bilateral programs and been at the u.n. and had my views on that as you know. but look, this is a complex process. if it were easy to do, it would be done already. there are a lot of bright prospects here and we will be talking to some of the other donor nations as well as we conclude our review and see if they might not be up for looking at their programs too. >> you mentioned also in the context of the new africa strategy you're taking a strong and hard and close look at u.n. peacekeeping operations in africa and mentioned that the principle

herbert hoover had enormous experience, saving europe from starvation after the first world war and was a great president, maybe for circumstances beyond his control. constitution sets up minimum criteria and if you do not like him, amend the constitution. itis difficult but they made deliberately difficult, that is why there are so few amendments to the constitution but it has endured longer than any written constitution in the world. john marshall, the fourth chief justice, was largely responsible as he understood what judicial review was and the limitations on the judiciary and he was the framer of the role of the supreme court, particularly in using the constitution and making it a document for the ages. host: jack, independent, salt lake city, utah. caller: i have loved following you and love your position on the constitution. something has bothered me for so many years going back to the o.j. simpson trial. you were on "crossfire" and said it was reasonable for the defense to live in a tribe -- lie in a trial because the prosecution lies. guest: i would never say that. that is neve

think of jimmy carter, herbert hoover. think of warren harding and so on. greater or better than george w. bush so far, george h.w. bush. stuart: there you have it on your screens. a solemn occasion. it's not joyful. it's a celebration of a man who may -- ashley: a remarkable resume the very few could make. stuart: he volunteered on his 18th birthday, june 1940 -- ashley: thereabout. stuart: 18 years old any volunteers or do you want it to be a pilot. within 18 months he's gone through training. he's on an aircraft carrier in the pacific carrying out missions. and they shot down and rescued after four hours in a life raft by an american submarine. and then, when the war is over, he marries, goes to west texas and starts a rather new way of drilling for oil and is very successful. then he runs for congress, sales and runs for congress again, sales. he gets picked up by richard nixon in beijing, first american guy in beijing during the mao years. and then he runs the cia and then he becomes the vice president to ronald reagan and then he becomes the president