system of our health care or education and even our economics is based on science, comes from herbert spencer, the founder of american education system. >> host: dr. benjamin, are you following? >> guest: i'm not sure of his y question. let me just say the american public health association test only been support of a health system with everyone in and no one out. >> host: mary in nevada. >> caller: good morning. i had a question on how much, for the doctor, how much further would we have been ahead, arm how much better off we would have been, or how many lives would be saved if we knew the origins of the covid? like especially like patient zero. and the fact that the cia covered up that it was, it originated in the lab instead of in that wet market. how much more information we would have gathered, so much faster. can you comment onn that? >> guest: so first of all let me just say that i do think it's important we understand what the origin of this virus is. because i think it helps us with forward leaning in terms of being able to protect ourselves in the future. that's the first thing. sec

okay, herbert spencer takes that idea and applies it to. society in general that in society only the strongest church survive. so this is the perfect ideological justification for a carnegie, a vanderbilt or, you know, in business and industry. only the strong businesses should survive. if you have a an operation that is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, then spencer theorize you don't even deserve to be in business. a weak business is a drag on business. so you don't even deserve to be in business. you can be purchased by a competitor. you can do all things above board or maybe. a little shady activity. you've got a competitor that you try to buy. he refuses. you offer him a counter. he still refuses. and then in the dark of night, maybe his factory goes up in flames. oh, you should have taken my offer, because now you are out of business, and i'm simply going to move in and take over. only the strongest survive. and that means that there are no real. if the government isn't going to get involved in regulating or investigating, then it

class-based systems of our health care, education, and economics, which is based on science, come from herbert spencer. host: are you following? guest: i am not sure of his question. let me just say the american public health association has strongly been in support of a health system with everyone in and no one out. host: mary, nevada. caller: good morning. i had a question on, how much further would we have been ahead or how much better off would be has been, or how many lives would have been date, if we knew the origins of covid? especially like patient zero. and the fact the cia covered up that it originated in the lab, instead of in the wet market. how much more information we would have gathered and how much faster? host: do you have some thoughts? guest: first of all, let me just say it is important we understand what the origin of the virus is. i think it helps us with forward leaning in terms of being able to protect ourselves in the future. that is the first thing. secondly, i think there are lots of delays in our understanding of this because of not getting early information from china that

it comes from herbert spencer, m the founder of the american education system. >> i'm going to jump in. are you following, dr. benjamin? >> let me just say the american public health association has strongly been in support of a o health system with everyone in and no one out. >> mary, in nevada. >> good morning. i had a question on how much further would we have been ahead , or how much better off we or would have been or how many lives would have been saved, if we knew the origins of the covid? especially like patient zero, and the fact that the cia covered up that it was -- it originated in the lab instead of in that wet market? how much more information we would've gathered and how much faster? sa >> dr. benjamin, do you have thoughts? >> let me just say that, i do think it's important that we understand that the origin of this virus is, because i think it helps us with forward o leaning in terms of being able v to protect ourselves in the at future. that's the first thing. secondly, i think that there in are lots of delays in our understanding of this, because of the fact that i d

class-based systems of our health care, education, and economics, which is based on science, come from herbert spenceru following? guest: i am not sure of his question. let me just say the american public health association has strongly been in support of a health system with everyone in and no one out. host: mary, nevada. caller: good morning. i had a question on, how much further would we have been ahead or how much better off would be has been, or how many lives would have been date, if we knew the origins of covid? especially like patient zero. and the fact the cia covered up that it originated in the lab, instead of in the wet market. how much more information we would have gathered and how much faster? host: do you have some thoughts? guest: first of all, let me just say it is important we understand what the origin of the virus is. i think it helps us with forward leaning in terms of being able to protect ourselves in the future. that is the first thing. secondly, i think there are lots of delays in our understanding of this because of not getting early information from china that we really nee