it emanated or, started from a genn a gentleman by the name of herbie lofton. who was trying to bring african american men togr men together and focusing on bible study and just navigating. navigating life. it started with with two or 3 friends that he knew. that attended church with. with him. it has grown to now, we will have a session every tuesday night and maybe 65 or 70 men come. they are an eclectic group. we have of course 7-day , 7-day dentists, baptists, a large group of catholics. we have muslims that attend and, we we have people who are agnostic and, etc. >> you have a methodist now. >> and then, we have people who have been very accomplished in r in their careers. had the president of peralta junior-college district. we have have had presidents of colleges. colleges. we have had former mayors and city council people, former city council people. law, people. lawyers, businessmen, developers. >> one of the things i found interesting was at my first time they said they wanted two things not to be mentioned, your your title and denomination. >> that i