the heritage foundation has been doing this for a while. that said, what really differs about this is the strident mentality of these authors. they seek inside and outside of the document about the ways in which we need to recover the country. some of their platform for a lot of democrats is quite scary. the details are the difference here. all transition teams are going to do something like this, but the details -- the devil is in the details. for a lot of people, it is a little unnerving. host: first, do you have any details on the extent of former president trump's involvement in this plan? you talked about plenty used to work in his administration being part of this plan. on his truth social account the president said, i know nothing about project 2025. i have not seen it, i have no idea who is in charge of it, and unlike our well-received republican platform had nothing to do with it. from there, he says the radical left democrats are having a field day with this plan. guest: it is hard to believe that he didn't have something to do wi

it is no surprise that someone like trump would admire the heritage foundation. it has been a massive force in shaping republican policies and administrations for decades. back in the 80s, that helped shape and advance the reagan doctrine, the idea that americans should support insurgents resisting communist agony -- domination. reagan would later say the heritage foundation was a quote vital force, during his presidency. they also laid much of the ground work for george bush's administration including desert storm. in january of 2003 they called for the dismantling of the iraqi president saddam hussein's regime. george w bush would follow that advice two months later with the invasion of iraq so the idea that trump doesn't know what the heritage foundation is, and that it's people are responsible for mapping out policies for his administration is laughable, especially when several of his former white house officials like ben carson, peter navarro, ross voigt are all involved with the organization. the director of project 2025 also worked for trump as a senior ai

heritage foundation set _ forward leaning position.nge. it has started to turn warmer, and it will continue to do so over the next couple of days, turning very warm, even hot in some places, turning very humid as well. but that certainly doesn't mean it's always going to be sunny, and today, we certainly saw more clouds rolling in across parts of northern ireland. that was how it looked earlier on at newcastle in county down. this stripe of cloud here on the earlier satellite image, that's going to bring rain across parts of northern ireland and scotland overnight, but these various weather systems are mainly being steered away to the north at the moment, allowing this warm and humid air to work its way in. so, through this evening and tonight, yes, we do have that cloud and those outbreaks of rain across northern ireland, the western side of scotland. it's going to turn quite misty and murky, i think, for some coasts and hills in the west as that increasingly humid air arrives. some clear spells further south and east, temperatures ho

the former president even spoke about the group's plans at a dinner sponsored by the heritage foundation in april of 2022. >> because our country is going to hell. the critical job of institutions such as heritage is to lay the groundwork and heritage does such an incredible job with that. this is a great group, and they're going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do, and what your movement will do when the american people give us a colossal mandate to save america, and that's coming. that's coming. >> former president trump speaking to the heritage foundation. that was in april of 2022, just

yes, so the heritage foundation _ it? yes, so the heritage foundation is _ it?undation is a - it? yes, so the heritage foundation is a very - foundation is a very influential, right—wing think tank. they not only have their own experts, but they collected a whole range of conservative organisations, including some people who worked in the first trump administration, or who were very influential in that administration. so when donald trump distances himself and says he knows nothing about project 2025 or who is behind it, you have to take that with a massive grain of salt. these are some priorities that have been long—standing. for instance, about reproductive rights and stopping the abortion pill, about deportations of immigrants and beefing up the deportation regime and the immigration forces, and also things like completely destroying the department of a, abolishing it. these are conservative priorities and have been for some time. he is aware of that and the people who are i suppose jockeying for potential influence in a potential second trump administration

if you remember the heritage foundation owns fondness and great friendship with lady thatcher to theoman we think walks in lady thatcher's and liz truss has become one of my great friends. perhaps of my closest friends ro atlantic. and you're in for a real treat, having rean the west, this wonderful book that is g states now, i can tell you that remain about the american ande, british, but also understand in the short term, perhaps even the medium, that both our countries have real challenges thi aead oa couple of reasons why of ms. truss and my great friend and colleague dr. gardiner will have a wonderful conversation about t from this adopted texans point of view, my greatest frustration with washington and american or the britishple, but the fact that where there is concern tration of power, it is always used as a cudgel. that power is always used as a cudgel against americans and individual brits. and this book is a diagnosis of how that came to be. what we need do to fix it, and really a call to arms, a call to political arms of what we need to do. and in short, just to give you

heritage foundation is the main builders of the project 2025. he figured that the judges and the attorneys are all part of it. they have all made that legal. one that ends up becoming law -- when that ends up becoming law or within the confines of the white house, i don't know what all is going to happen. i'm a little concerned. i think i will be voting for trump to make sure i don't end up in the whose cow -- if his retribution comes across anyone that both are biden might end up in the hooscow. have a wonderful day. host: speaking of project 2025, the washington times. democrats go to milwaukee to warn voters about project 2025. they raised more warnings about the conservative project 2025 agenda. democrats keep clamoring about the conservative heritage foundation's transition blueprint for the next republican president that seeks to reshape the federal government and install loyalists across the workforce to pave the way for ineffective conservative administration. senator cory booker, new jersey democrat called it frightening. he says it aim

but why is this so concerning in light of the fact that the heritage foundation and these conservative thinkers seem to have it willing participant in donald trump. depending on what day, he seems to distance himself from it or not but it does look like a playbook for the next administration. >> yeah, it does. the republicans didn't have a platform last time. and their position now seems to be, we are a party of trump, whatever trump wants. then you ask, where is tim going to go, who's putting the ideas out there? budget 2025 is a terrifying blueprint for an authoritarian future. and if they can succeed in this, and the supreme court is helping them at this point by weakening the administrative state, if they can succeed it is going to be a very different country, and america you won't recognize. >> we always appreciate your time. permit was felt the third is a professor of constitutional law at the university of pennsylvania law school and author of the book the nation that never was, reconstructing americans a story. >>> donald trump, claims he knows nothing about project 2025 or the

he knows nothing about it, but disagrees with it first, the heritage says the foundation briefed all of the republican candidates on the project, including trump himself. in fact, the heritage president reportedly installed trump's advisers on purpose, knowing the trump prioritizes personal loyalty over policy and when trump says that some of the ideas are ridiculous and abysmal well, some of that is perhaps believable given his waffling on issues like abortion, much of the project lines up completely with trump's own promises now, this is hardly an exhaustive list, but they include killing the department of education crushing the independence of the fbi and the doj, the mass firings of civil servants. and mass deportations while trump may not be the architect of this blueprint, his loyalists are there developers. he is certainly the mogul. and remember, he always notes that he only hires the best people will be back in a moment thinking i'm thinking about our honeymoon what about africa so far hot air balloon rise win with elephants? wait, 34 so safari. great question. like everythin

pottinger: thanks for the kind introduction and things to jeff smith, kevin roberts and the whole heritage foundation team for hosting me today and the important work you are doing at heritage. i have spotted several of my friends and former colleagues from the nsc here today including rob greenlee, victoria coates, erin walsh and ivan might be here as well. maybe he slept in. good idea. erin walsh is spearheading an important foundation report on the national security policy implications of the emergence of covid-19. john ratcliffe is chairing that report and i'm proud to be a part of the commission. it is a bipartisan commission with erin and john who produced the report which should be published i think next week. keep an eye out for that. while preparing today's remarks, i read up a bit on the man this lecture series honors. he is best known for founding samsung. the korean conglomerate that holds such a critical position in korea's high-tech economy. he was able to build in spite of the evidence that convulsed korea across the span of the 20th century. he was able to build something pretty speci

written by the conservative heritage foundation.ull of ideas that donald trump is trying to distance himself from. democrats say don't be fooled. here is former biden white house chief of staff ron klain. >> i think that the republicans are trying to run from and hide their project 2025 agenda, but trump's fingerprints are all over it. it is his people and his plan and president biden said you should google project 2525 and what would happen if he becomes press. >> and explain if you can, less than 900 pages, what exactly project 2025 is. >> that is an effort years in the making by the heritage foundation and a conglomeration of more than 100 other right-wing conservative groups for this project. this is exactly what heritage foundation did back in 1980, they handed over what was essentially a playbook to ronald reagan to implement policies through every department and every agency. and what they have this time around, to hand to donald trump, is 922-page document that again is authored by several of his close former allies and advi

more than that, kevin roberts, president of the heritage foundation an architect of project 2025 set of vance earlier this year quote, he is absolutely going to be one of the leaders of not the leader of our movement. on monday roberts price trumps decision to choose vance referring to him as a quote, man who personifies hope for our nation's future in vance received a whopping 93% score from the heritage action for america, the foundation's political arm based on how much his beliefs lineup with their organization and that includes radically right-wing views on abortion. in 2021 he implied abortion should not be allowed even in cases of or incest. if you walk back those comments before publicly stating that he backs a federal abortion ban the following year. ironically, vance's attacks on abortion would hurt the same people he talked about in his book. abortion bands are more likely to exist in states with a high number of women of childbearing age with incomes below 200% of the federal poverty line. this week vance appealed again to his humble beginnings and forgotten americans. >>

that is the heritage foundation's wish list of right-wing proposals that could be adopted in a second donald trump administration. the nearly 1000 page document including such measures as rolling back abortion and lgbtq rights, abolishing the department of education, and replacing much of the federal workforce with donald trump loyalists joining me now is a new york times journalist, robert draper. about 140 people or so involved in this project 2025 , former donald trump administration officials. you have seen donald trump trying to distance himself from the heritage foundation and its policy blueprint. i will place a newly discovered video of donald trump from 2022 which repudiates his claim that he knows nothing about project 2025 . and who is behind it. take a listen. >> heritage does such an incredible job, they will lay the groundwork and detail plans for what our movement will do and what your movement will do, and the american people give us a colossal mandate to save america. that is coming. >> that was not very long ago. why is donald trump disavowing this group and its plan

through his weak, spineless party, and the heritage foundation's project 2025 plan. six on the court saying the president must be bold and rule by fiat. they'll be his loyal hands to rule us. so, the fantasy football conversation and the mainstream media about the democratic party nominee, okay, go for it. just remember, there is no one on the democratic side, including the super-old guy, who is a threat to american democracy. pay as many attention as you can to the debate. it's a worthy debate, but vote for whoever that person is, and every democrat below them on the ticket, because the alternative? is king trump and project 2025 as the new rule of law. make no mistake u. thanks to this abomination of a supreme court majority, the maga right is so confident they can undo every good thing that was done in the 20th century for people of color, women, immigration, lgbtq people, for everyone they're so confident they can get back to conservative so-called white christian men rule over anyone else, they're openly saying it, in public. for all you swifties out there, "new

but here's what donald trump said at a heritage foundation event two years ago. >> our country is goinghell. the critical job of institutions such as heritage to lay the groundwork and heritage does such an incredible job with that. this is a great group of they're going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do what the american people give us a colossal mandate to save america and that is coming. that is coming. >> they're going to lay the groundwork. mandate to save america. i would like to remind people that the project 2025 plan is a mandate for leadership. if donald trump said this is all part of his movement in 2022, why shouldn't democrats hold him responsible for every wild idea in it in 2024? >> it is no great surprise that the former president of the united states is a liar. he lies about everything and he is lying about this. the danger here is that the attempt in project 2025 is to fully dismantle virtually every aspect of government. i looked at some of the things having to do with election security and pros

it was put together by the heritage foundation with the help of trump white house aides and allies so question tonight, why is the former president not trying to distance himself from this big plan all of a sudden? hayes, why is donald trump suddenly saying he doesn't know anything about this thing? >> project 2025, who? i don't know her, he seems to say. on one level this is just trumps them all. the second he's confronted with something or someone that he thinks makes him look bad, his immediate response is to pretend he's never heard of or met this person in their lives despite the fact that literally dozens of people who work for him worked on this giant policy document that has been put out by the heritage foundation. i think the fact that he's distancing himself, he knows it's unpopular. i don't think he probably knows the specifics of what is in it. i doubt he has seen the exact pulling on it but i think it speaks to the fact that like republican policies, for decades at this point, when voters learn what they actually are, they are deeply unpopular. many of the pieces inside p

this is from the heritage foundation. >> welcome our problem.g morgan, executive vice president of the heritage foundation. [applause] i like to make brief remarks before b my colleagues in the driving force behind the report and that it will come back up and moderate the discussion. privileged to convene and provide support for nonpartisan on in covid-19. on the commission to hold china accountable for their role. this is a great idea but the only way if it's nonpartisan, full of experts contains members with a wide range of political views. 9 hit the united states in early 2020, it was indiscriminate. the virus did not determine if one was a liberal or conservative. it struck with vengeance and upended all of our lives. with that in mind, we asked the director to serve as the chairman of the commission and invited eight americans with extraordinary experience to join. they all accepted immediately and without hesitation and we are grateful. and it addition to radcliffe, the commission includes heidi heitkamp, ambassador robert o'brien, john yo

launched by the conservative heritage foundation, and include a 900 page blueprint overhaul the federal government if trump wins again. on the agenda, shutting down the education department, dropping fda approval of abortion pills, and a mass deportation of undocumented immigrants. >> this represent an outright attack on our children, our families, and our future. >> reporter: trump has distanced himself from the plan but dozens of workers for his and administration are behind it and he openly encouraged their work two years ago. >> they are going to lay the groundwork and detailed plans

sunday, there was a man with the heritage foundation and unelected leader, and i honestly believe the heritage foundation -- earlier, you mentioned that kamala harris was the czar, but there is nothing in writing that gives her that responsibility. the big point is that the constitution is the supreme law of the united states, and it delegates border security to the congress. i just find it weird that americans keep wanting an executive who writes executive orders that are temporary. each time we get a president, they write executive orders that don't necessarily last in the next administration, when it really should be congress that writes the laws that protect the border and understand labor rights, women's rights. but there are three things that i do believe. donald trump was shot by a bullet. climate change is real and man-made. and that congress should be doing its job, and that should be the focus of americans' ire, more so than the president. anyway, it is a beautiful day and i thank you for c-span. have a great day. host: why do you think congress gets away with shirking the r

it is something the heritage foundation has put out for several election cycles.

the head of the heritage foundation, kevin roberts came out with a statement today the work is not done. i do want to impress upon people the distinction between what this agenda is and who it is. i think what we're seeing right now is just about who is going to be in charge of potentially staffing a second trump administration. i think the agenda, as it is written, as you have said trump has tied himself to all of these things quite clearly. he spoke at the heritage foundation and announce this groundwork that will be coming forth from his next administration. it is an inside baseball thing. that said, a lot of the maga right is unhappy with this. the person who forced the head of -- is a trump campaign staffer. he is seen as an institutional list. and he is not very well liked or trusted on the true believer side. we are seeing that playing it right now. >> but who as important as what. errin haines, roger sollenberger thank you for being with us. and we have more to come tonight including an inside peek at the supreme court under john roberts . after a session that granted some big i

. >>> we have been talking a lot about the heritage foundation the last few days. also, a sponsor of the republican national convention starting next week. it's now a group connected to the heritage foundation that now -- i'm sorry, another group connected to the heritage foundation says it's prepared to seek legal action if democrats prepare to replace president biden on general election ballots. joining us now, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. >> this is under the context of this group preparing for the unknown of what could happen over the next four months. particularly when it comes to being prepared to challenge any potential effort to replace joe biden on the ballots in states across the country after the convention. there's an event that was held yesterday at the heritage foundation by this group that prepared this report, and they made very clear here, i want to read you part of it, quote, these are real legal threats that will play out in real time. from where we're sitting we're going to make sure we're best situated legally to prepare for those th

wish list compiled by the conservative heritage foundation. think tank a blueprint of what they want to see happen if republicans win back control of the white house in january 2025. heritage foundation president kevin roberts says the plan will be nothing short of a 2nd american revolution. so what exactly does project 2025 call for is divided into 4 main pillars. giving the president more power and installing loyal backers, defending america's borders and sovereignty. declaring the family as the focal point of american life and more firmly, routing christian ideology in your society. under the plan, parents would be given greater control over schools and their children's education and diversity programs for minorities, including blacks and the l. g. b, t q community would be rolled back publicly donald trump has distanced himself from project 2025 trumpet posted on social media. i have no idea who is behind it. i disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous, indivisible, but

heritage foundation is the main builders of the project 2025.e figured that the judges and the attorneys are all part of it. they have all made that legal. one that ends up becoming law -- when that ends up becoming law or within the confines of the white house, i don't know what all is going to happen. i'm a little concerned. i think i will be voting for trump to make sure i don't end up in the whose cow -- if his retribution comes across anyone that both are biden might end up in the hooscow. have a wonderful day. host: speaking of project 2025, the washington times. democrats go to milwaukee to warn voters about project 2025. they raised more warnings about the conservative project 2025 agenda. democrats keep clamoring about the conservative heritage foundation's transition blueprint for the next republican president that seeks to reshape the federal government and install loyalists across the workforce to pave the way for ineffective conservative administration. senator cory booker, new jersey democrat called it frightening. he says it aims

since then, the heritage foundation is host a new version of the mandate for leadership roughly every presidential cycle. but make no mistake. this latest version of mandate for leadership, project 2025, was written for this specific moment. it was tailored to this specific brand of ultra conservatism that trump has now come to represent. in an interview with the new york times earlier this year, this man, kevin roberts, says that he believes the organizations role today is, quote, institutionalizing trumpism. as more people learned about project 2025 in the ciccone and ideas it contains, it has become a political liability for trump in his bid to return to the white house. he has tried to distance himself from it, posting untruths social, i know nothing about project 2025. i have no idea who is behind it.". that claim is patently absurd and provably false. >> such an incredible job. going to lay the groundwork and detailed plans for exactly what our movement will you and what you are movement will do, and the american people give us a colossal mandate to save america. >> colossal man

the heritage foundation's blueprint for a possible second trump's term. he claimed to know nothing about the groups plan and criticize the plan, you know, he knows nothing about. it comes days after the president of the heritage foundation that this in the wake of the supreme court's immunity claim >> the left has taken over our institutions. the reason they are apoplectic right now and the reason that so many anchors on msnbc, for example, are losing their minds daily is because our side is winning. i come full circle on this response i want to encourage you that we are in the process of the second american revolution which will remain loveless if the left allows it to be. >> frank figliuzzi and jill wine-banks are back with us. i don't know her. >> i never met her before. also, was he talking about us when he said msnbc anchors? what's he talking about us? i don't know. he is welcome back anytime to explain this debacle. i want to play the b.e.t. awards after i play it you will understand why. >> time for us to play chess, checkers. it's about making de

trump. >> the work of the heritage foundation is to institute trumpism.zes that by every objective measure, the united states is weaker than it was in 1984. president trump will make decisions about policy. project 2025 will transcend the next four years, the next 10 years. >> trump knows nothing about project 2025. he has nothing to do with it. they both spoke at the christian media convention where he said that trump deserves all of the credit to carry out the far right's plan. >> project 2025 was developed with a comprehensive policy agenda and more importantly, recruiting people. 20,000 people to go into the next administration to take back this country for you and for your audiences. we want no credit. we want the american people, if president trump is elected again, him and his administration to take credit for that. >> we want no credit for project 2025. trump, you take all the credit. trump, i don't know who this is. at this latest claim to the long lies of trump. trump lies. he knows what project 2025 is. he knows what it stands for. he is claimi

kevin roberters, the president of the heritage foundation and architect of project 2025 said of vance quote he will absolutely be one of the leaders if not the leader of our movement. roberts praised trump's tr decision to choose vance. he received a 100% score from the heritage. radically right wing views on abortion. in 2021, he applied abortion should not be allowed even in cases of rape or incest. he walked back those particular comments before saying he backs a federal abortion ban the following year. his attacks on abortion would hurt the very same people he talked about in his book hill billy elegy. strict abortion bans are more likely to exist in states with a high number of women of childbearing age that have incomes below 200% of the federal poverty line. vance appealed again to his humble beginnings and forgotten americans. >> the people of middletown, fo ohio and all the forgotten communities in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and ohio, and every corner of our er nation, i promise you this. i will be naa vice president wh never forgets where he came from. and every sing

i want to talk about the heritage foundation. it's a conservative think tank in washington. it shapes the agenda they would like to see in a trump second term. they said this last week. take a look. >> we're in the process of taking this country back. no one in the audience should be disparaged. we are encouraged by what happened yesterday. the second revolution will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be. >> do you support those calls for a revolution and would political violence ever be justified? >> of course, political violence is never justified, kristen. you'd have to ask the president of the heritage foundation to defend his remarks, if you'd like to do that. look, the heritage foundation does a lot of good work and it does a lot of good things i disagree with and a lot of things that i agree with. it works with public policy, and it's an important part of how d.c. functions and operates. we'll continue to have conversations with a whole host of think tanks to the right and the left as we craft public policy. that's the way the city works and again, i'm not goin

among the farfetched scenarios imagined by the 2024 election show cased on thursday by the heritage foundationd in the 2024 project, heritage played by robert torsely and the war games included surprise emergencies such as the barbra streisand kidnapping. we have spent nine years, i think, um, maybe looking away from some of the most insane things planned. this is a plan on paper. this is a group that is linked with former trump administration officials and people who are on list to be future trump administration officials should he prevail. trump is ahead in most of the battlegrounds and we thought today was a good day to really understand what the plans are for rigging the november election. >> well, i want you to know, nicolle, that in my weekend war game exercise that i do over here at my place, you have sometimes come and done that, we're deciding between a body snatcher thing and a martian thing this weekend. so if you have a point of view, let me know. yeah, i mean, i think this gets back to a theme that we have returned to of late, particularly, because of the project 2025 kind of expo

i like heritage foundation. i agree with some of the things they stand for. there's a bunch of scholars and people that turn around and work on different projects. our candidate for president is donald trump. >> is that what project 2025 is? idealogical lunacy? >> no, it's a think tank. >> this platform is in all caps, and a lot of us on social media have been mocking it. it looks like it was written by a third grader, although that's an insult i think, with a crayon the way it's presented. and yet if you look at what was released, they actually say we will make america great again. sit a total embracing of the mantra of donald trump, but for me, it wasn't just j.d. vance and marco rubio, it's been other, including donald trump himself, tara, it's the gaslighting for me. it's an insult to americans and american voters if they think we won't understand that they are all one and is same. >> oh, 100%. i mean, it's up to us when we use these platforms to make sure the american people are informed. that is the number one thing. we cannot have an uninformed public.

you have to ask the president of the heritage foundation to defend his remarks.age foundation does a lot of good work, and is does a lot of things i disagree with and a lot of things that i agree with. it works with public policy and it's an important part of how d.c functions and operates. we'll continue to have conversations with a whole host of think tanks to the right and the left as we craft public policy. that's the way the city works and again, i'm not going to be the person who serve it is the spokesperson for the heritage foundation. i don't have any affiliation. >> it sounds like you're distancing yourself from those comments, that talk of political violence. >> look, kristen, i certainly don't think political violence is justified. that's not what i think that he was saying to begin with, but have him on your program to defend what he said, and i think that's the best thing to do. >> let me ask you specifically about project 2025 for our viewers so that they know. it's basically a policy blueprint for a second trump presidency supported by the heritage

the way heritage foundation is responding is important. so kevin roberts, the guy that talked about this revolution that everybody allows them to go forward, which started this spiral of distancing, was just on a reside owe show yesterday talking about the fact if you look at what the rnc put out, what trump's campaign says, the overlap is tremendous. he understands the political calculation for trump to be saying these things publicly, but they are still moving forward. they haven't gotten the message yet. he's trying to keep everybody, it's okay, we're still moving forward despite what's being said publicly for political purposes. that's why i think it's important to start there because it shows how real it is. it's not just sort of some ideas or expressions, but it can be operationalized. they understand that they need power first. they need to win the elections before these things. then the second thing gets into what we talked about before, which is the granularity. this one page is very specific. even if a lot of these things don't h

the heritage foundation for the official united states launch of ten years to save the west and the heritage foundation now under the leadership of kevin roberts and my great to be here also with no gardiner features significantly in the book for the first time in 2015. when i seek to go to the heritage foundation, i'm warned against it by the british ambassador, kim darroch. he says to me, you've got to be wary of this organization. they've spoken out against obama. they've even been critical of prime minister cameron. are you really sure that you want to go and see them? and i said, yes, i am sure, because i'm a conservative and there are conservative think tank in the united states of america, our closest ally. so so eventually, eventually, i prevail because i am a determined person. the call from the embassy dropped me off two blocks away from the heritage so that the british would be sitting outside the building. now, i was back in heritage in 2019 when, as the newly appointed trade secretary, i was determined that united kingdom was going to strike a trade, deal with the then president

they were getting some assistance from the heritage foundation, kevin roberts and trump disagreed, he did not -- heritage does this every four years but what's new this year is the staffing part of project 2025. the idea they're building a link in to people who could staff the administration and would be reliable conservatives and enact the agenda unlike those who worked for trump in the first term. none of that change. trump drew attention by disavowing a. they did not say the trump administration will not hire anyone who has anything to do with project 2025. talking to conservatives at a conference at occluded veterans in the administration of work to parts of the mandate for leadership of this document, they didn't think they would be instead of the trump administration. the only gift the trump people have given the biden campaign is this statement that says something that no one believes who is covering the races. no one covering the trump administration thanks people who wrote very detailed documents about how to govern and russ vought's case, his working on and unpublished execu

and -- has forced out the director project 2025 at the heritage foundation. the trump campaign thinks this being the demise of the project 2025. the head of theoj heritage foundation responded with a statement of hisun own saying o you know, project 2025 is going to bepr ongoing. it'sto really about who's goingo be atea the controls implementi these policies. it does come at a politically testy moment for this initiative. we've seen a whole lot of, you know, popular blow back against project 2025, and these were published more than a year ago and they've been outa there foa while.he a lot has been accomplished in terms of this -- this think tank's efforts. but what we're seeing right now is just sort of maybe a reshuffling of who's actually going to be in charge of implementing it. >> right, especially because a lot of it squares with trump's own stated agenda, right, all of this about gutting the administrative state, gutting federal agencies. we havein heard that from trump himself. you don't necessarily need to see it in project 2025 to know it's something