it was a very difficult time for the labour party, and i think, um, i'm pretty sure it was michael herod who was editor at the time, and we were very even-handed during that election process giving both equal weight the all party policies. so i'm not sure we particularly had a conversation with the labour party about support. >> in 2005, though, "the sun "did support the labour party. that's a matter of record. >> that's right. >> it changed, of course, in september 2009, but the question was, was the fact "the sun "'s support the summit of private discussion with mr. blair or his advisers? >> um, not that i can remember, no. i wouldn't be that way. it wouldn't be -- in fact, i think in 2005, again, it's very difficult. i wish i'd had some access to my notes, but i think in 2005 "the sun," we left it right to the day. and i think we we erected in sot of a vatican-style chimney on the roof of -- [inaudible] and whatever colored smoke, sorry, it was funny at the time -- [laughter] clearly lost in translation now. [laughter] anyway, whatever smoke at the time came up. so we had red smoke an