herrera butler shot back. i did what i thought was right.rite, was just the start of what would become a gop wide campaign to whitewash the details of what happened on january 6th in the aftermath of the second impeachment. mccarthy and herrera butler have both denied the details of that meeting in a statement to the authors. joining me now is "the washington post" reporter, jackie, also an msnbc contributor. this is not your book even though it is reporting by two of your colleagues. we keep getting a drip, drip, drip about what mccarthy said, how he felt in the days after the insurrection. the day of the insurrection. the months after. what are we learning from this new book and might it be damaging for them? >> yeah, katy, my colleagues and my former colleague have done a fantastic job of really getting in the room and getting these vivid details of what was happening in the republican party in the wake of january 6th and the steps that the minority leader, mccarthy, was taking to sort of corral his party back together and get things back

i don't think it is news that i'm corroborating what jaime herrera butler said any way. one of my criticisms of the hearing yesterday was there wasn't anything new in terms wave trump did or didn't do but i have no difficult with giving that testimony. >> you felt like there was nothing new in terms of what trump did or didn't do? did you feel like there was new information that we learned from the hearing yesterday? >> yeah, you did a really nice piece on the nancy pelosi video which is very compelling and it is informative. i'm not sure what it does to shed light on what donald trump did or didn't do that particular day. again it makes for really good television. but if the point of the matter is either donald trump broke the law or didn't, donald trump cooperated with right-wing extremist groups. i'm not sure seeing nancy pelosi and chuck schumer adds to that. it is great television. it is really good politics. but as someone who has followed these hearings very closely and we're talked about these hearings several time and watching what the president did and didn't d

and i remember, actually, jimmy herrera butler. esswoman jamie herrera beutler saying she overheard the conversation. it got pretty heated. where mccarthy said. who the f do you think you are? >> i believe that the president was watching tv because that is what he did. he would watch tv and he would watch all of these things. it is not hard for me to think that the president actually did not tell mccarthy the truth. but say i don't know, i don't know what is going on. . are you saying that mccarthy believed what trump had to say. and then relayed that to ryan suffolk's mother. that the president was not watching television. was there anyone in the world was not watching what is going on on january 6th? did he say that today? that he thought that those accurate? >> he was explained to the president was going on. you're saying hey, they are breaking in. but remember. first of all, kevin has no reason to lie to me. he's a good friend of mine. he has no reason to lie to me. but remember, he's part of the branch of government that was be

prior hearings, we showed you a description of what mccarthy told republican congressman jamie herrera butler about his conversation with trump during the violence. another witness, mick mulvaney, president trump's chief of staff, has also come forward and corroborated her shocking account. >> i asked kevin mccarthy, who's a republican leader about this, and he said he finally got through to donald trump and he said, you have got to get on tv, you have got to get on twitter, you've got to call these people off. do you know what the president said to him, he said well kevin, these are my people. and kevin responded and said, no, they literally just came through my office windows and my staff are running for cover and running for their lives. you need to call them off. and the president's response to kevin was chilling. he said, "well, kevin, i guess they are more upset about the election than you are." andy have seen widespread reports of kevin mccarthy in the president having basically a swearing conversation. that's when the swearing begins because the president was basically saying, i'm ok

we showed you a description of what mccarthy told jamie herrera butler with his conversation about trump. another witness, mick mulvaney has also come forward and corroborated her shocking account. >> i had a conversation at some point in the day or week after the riot with kevin mccarthy. it was similar to what jamie had, the conversation she retold ant how he called and asked the president to get them to stop. the president said something along the lines of kevin, maybe these people are more angry about this than you are. i had a conversation similar to that with kevin in the days and week after the riot. >> we know how kevin mccarthy described president trump's conduct in public and in private. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action by president trump. accept his share of responsibility, coil the brewing unrest and ensure president-elect biden is able to successfully begin his term. let me be very clear to all of you and i

mccarthy apparently exploded at jamie herrera butler for publicry revealing a contentious january 6th both politicians deny ever happened, we'll let "the post" take it from here. i alone am taking the heat to protect people from trump. i alone am holding the party together, mccarthy yelled during a meeting on february 25th, 2021. quote, i have been working with trump to keep him from going after republicans like you and blowing up the party and destroying all our work, end quote. stunned by mccarthy's anger, she began to cry. she apologized not telling him ahead of time she had confirmed to the media details of a call she made to trump, urging him to tell his supporters to leave the capitol. you should have come to me, mccarthy said. why did you two to the press? what did you want me to do, lie? of course he wanted you to lie. and then there's lindsey graham. another republican that joined the endeavor to whitewash january 6th. former d.c. police officer michael fanone said in a meeting with officer who responded to the attack, graham told them this, quote, you guys should have shot t

prior hearings, we showed you a description of what mccarthy told republican congresswoman jaime herrera butlerith trump during the violence. another witness, rick mulvaney, trump's former chief of staff, has also come forward and corroborated her shocking account. >> i asked kevin mccarthy, the republican leader, about this. he finally got through to donald trump and said, you've got to get on tv, you've got to get on twitter, got to call these people off. you know the president said to him? this is not what is happening. he said kevin, these are my people. these are antifa. kevin responded, no, these are your people. they literally came through my windows, and my staff are running for their lives. you need to call them off. the president's response to kevin was revealing. he said, well, kevin, i think they are more upset about the election than you are. you've seen widespread reports of kevin mccarthy and the president having a swearing conversation, that's where the swearing starts because the president is basically saying, i am okay with this. >> i had a conversation somewhere in the day or

prior hearings, we showed you a description of what mccarthy told republican congresswoman jamie herrera butlerring the violence. another witness, mick mulvaney, president trump's former chief of staff, has also come forward and corroborated her shocking account. >> he is going to ask kevin mccarthy, the republican leader about this and he called, and he spoke to donald trump and he said you have got to get on tv, you got to get on twitter, you got to call these people off. and this is the president. and he said kevin, these are not my people, these are antifa and kevin said they're your people, and they came through my office windows and staff are running for cover, they're running for their lives and you need to call them off and the spahn response is chilly, well, kevin, i guess he's more upset about the election staff than you are. and that is kevin mccarthy and the president having a big swearing conversation, that's when it happen are happened because the president was basically saying no, i'm okay with there. >> i had a conversation at some point, in the day or week after the riot, and i

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this is what he told jimmy herrera butler about his conversation with trump during the violence.who is a republican leader about this, and he said he called donald -- he finally got through to donald trump, and he said, you have got to get on tv. you've got to get on twitter. you've got to call these people off. do you know what the president said to him? this is as it's happening. he said, well, kevin, these a aren't my people. these are antifa. he said, no, they're your people and they came through my office windows and my staff is running for cover and you need to call them off. the response to kevin was chilling. he said, well, kevin, i guess they're just more upset about the election than you are. you've seen widespread reports of kevin mccarthy and the president having a swearing conversation. that's when the swearing went because the president was basically saying, no. i'm okay with this. >> i had a conversation at some point in the day or week after the riot with kevin mccarthy. >> it was very similar to what jamie had, the conversation she had retold about how he called

we showed you a description of what mccarthy told republican congresswoman jamie herrera butler. another witness mick mulvaney has also come forward and corroborated her shocking account. >> i asked kevin mccarthy, who's the republican leader, about this. he said he called -- finally got through to donald trump. he said you have got to get on tv, you have got to get on twitter, you've got to call these people off. you know what the president said to him? he said, well, kevin, these aren't my people. these are antifa. kevin responded and said, no, they're your people. they literally just came through my office windows are running for their lives. the president's response was they're more upset about the election theft than you've seen of kevin mccarthy and the president having a swearing conversation. the president was saying, no, i'm okay with this. >> i had a conversation at some point in the day or week after the riot with kevin mccarthy. it was very similar to the conversation she retold about he called and asked the president to stop and the president told him, kevin, maybe t