and god knows herriman did not need a job. [laughter] >> also, mr. neal asked about journalists.his is not an irony. it sort of a coming, for becoming of the full circle. he'd very much admired the work of george packer, right of course about, for "the new yorker" and did some superb stuff on her back and george packer is going to be doing serious biography of richard. >> of the questions? just? this is a gentleman who played a big role in richard holbrooke's ever, rufus phillips. first of all, rufus, which he tell everybody how you know richard and the role he did play in holbrooke's career? >> well, that's very kind you'd asked me that. i was going to tell a story about him. >> go ahead. >> i was his first boss in saigon. and he had arrived as a very young foreign service officer with plenty of spirit, which is i think a trademark of his. and we very difficult province where this province chief wouldn't cooperate, and so i removed the fellow was down there and said richard down there, even though he had only been in the country for about three or four months. and he just perfor

um, and chronicling the lives of william -- [inaudible] pamela herriman, diana and the clintons, i think sally has well established herself as a prominent biographer, prominent and best-selling biographer, i should say. for the past 15 years, she's also been a contributing editor to "vogue." and before that she wrote for "time" and she was a cultural reporter for "the new york times." during the time just as a personal aside that she was researching this biography, she, well, she was interviewing over 200 people and spending six months in residence in london. her daughter was married, this was a true anglo-american event. her daughter married an english army officer at the guard's chapel which is just what she says was a stone's throw from buckingham palace. um, the part i was just telling sally, the part of elizabeth's life that i was so impressed with was her complete dedication to being a well-informed monarch. she was regularly briefed by the prime minister, and she assiduously went to her diplomatic red leather box that came to her every day that had intelligence reports, budget rep