herrmann and would eventually become us ambassador to france. author sogno panel, join me to discuss this remarkable woman and the key role she played enabling the special relationship between britain and america. let's start a little bit at the beginning. she was a little bit sort of wanted to get out of that sort of stultifying life, right and wanted to get married. she didn't do very well in the debutant season. and she was pushed towards randolph churchill. was very much her decision. she was the eldest daughter of a lord and endorse it quite rural. they remote house. what she wanted was fun and excitement and she's taken a very early interest in politics. now at the beginning of the war, she met randolph he asked nine women to marry him. he wanted to saira a son before he went to all nine had said no, probably for very good reason because he was an appalling husband or bruton and a bully really and a philanderer. anna philanderer, anna drunk, and pretty much anything else you can think of. but pamela's said yes for one very good reason. she