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bill hersch and courtney. thank you for being here, along with so many other community- based organization representatives. you did a great job. mr. mayor, you and i have been working closely together with supervisor chu and specifically with the leadership of supervisor wiener and supervisor campos. you've done an extraordinary job of helping us with the supplemental piece of legislation for $1.5 million around these ryan white cuts we were dealing with. that great work we have done, we know there's so much more to do. i handed out a presentation for you that's about six pages long that basically lays out the challenges that we face. over the last 11, 12 years, we've watched the hiv aids infection rates to continue to go up for those who are aware of their status and for those who are not aware of their status and the city and county of san francisco is up. we've watched funding go down between a blend of federal cuts, state cuts, and even on our local level of adding general funds. we've watched funding go d

. >> ari, just quickly, michael hersch wrote today that joe biden ranks as one of the most powerful and influential vice presidents in american history. i'm just curious your perspective. you served alongside a very powerful vice president, cheney. whatever you think of the administration's policy, is biden as powerful as cheney was, more powerful, in that category? >> it's hard to know because the vice president's true strength, any vice president's strength is what they whisper privately when they're with the president. i think president obama gives vice president biden a lot of time to be alone to talk to him, at least that's what i hear. it's is he able to influence the president? that's how vice presidents are powerful. you don't know. i don't think this administration talks about it. he's not as visible in that sense so it's hard to know what his real role is behind the scenes. >> appreciate it. thank you very much. day four of john edwards trial. it's fascinating. as the defense tries to hammer away the prosecution's key wins against edwards, a trove of documents is released. det