herschmann and mr. cipollone that they wer't offering him any solutions, but ms.l and others were. so why not try what ms. powell and others were proposing? do you remember anything along the lines being saidy president trump? >> i do. that sounds right. >> i think that it got to th point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. i mean, you got people walk in, it was late at night, had been a long day. and what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >>'m going to -- i'm going to categocally describe it asou guys are not tough enough. or maybe i put it other wa you' a bunch of pussies. excuse the expression, but that that's i -- i'm most certain the word was used. >> flynn seamed at me that i was a quter and evything, kept on standing up and turning around and screaming at me. and at a certain point iad it with him. i yelled back better come over. beer sit your effing ass back down. >> the president and the whi house team went upstairs to the resince, but to the public part of the residence. you kn, the big -- the big parlor where you can have mee

for example, there was also eric herschmann, whose job, it seems like, was basically to tell everyonetrump white house they were constantly breaking the law now, you might remember herschmann from previous hearings is the guy who has a baseball bat with the word "justice" written on it hanging on his wall. i like that it's not mounted on wood or in a glass case or anything it's just right there on hooks at grabbin' height [ laughter ] i bet when people got their lunches out of the office fridge at his firm, they triple checked they had the bag right herschmann was in a meeting with another key figure in the attempted coup, justice department official jeffrey clark. clark wanted trump to make him attorney general after the election so that as attorney general clark could declare without evidence that there was fraud in the election and then overturn the results. and herschmann had very blunt words for clark when he found out about clark's plan >> when he finished discussing what he planned on doing, i said, "good [bleep]. excuse me. sorry. "f-ing a-hole, congratulations you just admitt

to, i'm pretty sure mark herschmann was there. but i'm confident it was pat it was there. i remember pat saying something to the effect of, mark, we need to do something more. they are literally calling for mike pence to be effing hung. marquette responded something to the effect of, you heard it, pat, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. he thinks mike deserves it. to which path said, this is effing crazy. we need to be doing something more. briefly stepped into mike's office. when mark had said something to the effect of, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. knowing what i had heard briefly in the dining room, coupled with pat discussing the hang mike pence chance in the library of her office. his response there to the rioters in the capital were chanting for the vice president to be hung. ital wer (dad allen) we've been customers for years. (dad brown) we got iphone 13s, too. switched two minutes ago, literally right before this. (vo) now everyone can get a new iphone 13 on us on america's most reliable 5g n

eric herschmann? >> yes. >> mark meadows?white house wanted there to be a strong statement out to condemn the rioters. i'm confident in that. i'm confident that ivanka trump wanted there to be a strong statement to condemn the rioters. i don't know the private conversation she had with mr. trump, but i remember when she came to the office one time with white house counsel's office, when she came to the chief of staff's white house with white house counsel's office, she was talking about the speech later that day and trying to get her dad on board with saying something that was more direct than he had wanted to at the time and throughout the afternoon. >> i think mark also wanted -- i remember him getting ivanka involved, because get ivanka down here because he felt that would be important. i don't think jared was there in the morning, but i think he came later. i remember thinking it's important to get him in there too. and of course pat philbin was expressing the same things. pat philbin was very, as i said -- i don't think

herschmann. he'd have to take on cassidy hutchinson.ws' text messages. what are the -- what did it ultimately come down to that got cipollone in that room today? >> that's a really good question, but our recent reporting has shown that since cassidy hutchinson's testimony, when was that, last week or two weeks ago -- >> it was just last week. >> it's been a long time since these hearings have become. we've been told by our sources involved with the investigation that more republicans other than pat cipollone are coming forward here. >> wow. >> but what we're also seeing these people trending towards is sort of dancing this fine line between appeasing their former boss, the former president, and cooperating and doing what people view as, quote, unquote, the patriotic thing. pat cipollone, for example, had put out some messaging from people on his team or people affiliated with him prior to appearing that he was, you know, executive privilege warrior and was going to protect his conversations with the president sort of appeasing the peopl

herschmann said he had told eastman that his plan was insane and that later, rudy had agreed with herschmanne plan was illegal. >> the president's own lead outside counsel, rudy giuliani, also seemed to concede that the vice president did not have the authority to decide the outcome of the election or send it back to the states. here's what white house attorney eric herschmann said about his call with mayor giuliani on the morning of the sixth >> the morning of january 6th, i think he called me out of the blue right? and i was, like, getting dressed. and we had an intellectual discussion about eastman's - i don't know if it's eastman's theory per se, but the v.p.'s role, and he was asking me my view and analysis and then the practical implications of it and when we finished, he said, "look, i believe that, you know, you're probably right. >> seth: first of all, i doubt it was truly an intellectual discussion if rudy was involved. saying you had an intellectual discussion with rudy giuliani is like saying you played chess with a horse [ laughter ] second, it's incredible to me crazy and bad i

then herschmann explained how that call with the architect of the coup ended: >> i said, "good, john.ng to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life: get a great effing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it." >> stephen: that is good advice. ( applause ) that is good advice, because the lawyer eastman was plotting the coup with studied for the bar by going to one. ( laughter ) now, some of the folks being featured in the videos in the hearings are not happy about the publicity. take proud boy leader and worst- case scenario david cross, joseph biggs. for his role in the coup, biggs has been charged with seditious conspiracy. it's a serious charge. it carries a maximum sentence of 20 years. by the time he gets out, this proud boy's going to be a proud member of the a.a.r.p. and biggs wants to move his trial, arguing to the court, "in view of the increased and unquestionably spectacular 24/7 negative press and media coverage about the fraternity known as the proud boys." oh, that's right. i forgot. the proud boys is just a fraternity. january 6 was

herschmann, mr. cipollone, that they weren't offering him any solutions. miss powell and others were, so why not try what miss powell and others were proposing. do you remember anything along those lines being said about president trump? >> i do. that sounds right. >> i think it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. people walking in, late at night, they had a long day. what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> i'm gonna categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i'll put it another way, you're a bunch of policies, excuse the expression. i'm almost certain the word was used. >> kept on standing up and standing around screaming at me. as a certain point i had it with him. i yield back. either come over or sit your effing aspect down. >> the president and the white house team went upstairs to the residence, in the big parlor where you can have meetings in a conference room. >> they call it the yellow oval. >> yes, exactly. the yellow oval office. i always called it the upper. i'm not exactl

a couple minutes later him and pat came back, possibly eric herschmann, too. i'm pretty sure eric herschmann was there, but i'm confident it was pat that was there. i remember pat saying something to the effect of, mark, we need to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung. and mark had responded something to the effect of you heard it, pat. he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. to which pat said something, this is effing crazy. we need to be doing something more, briefly stepped into mark's office. >> do you remember any discussion at any point during the day about rioters at the capitol chanting hang mike pence? >> yes, i remember hearing that about that. i don't know if i observed that myself on tv. >> i'm just curious, i understand the prif len lij you've drawn but do you remember what you can share with us about the discussion about those chants to hang mike pence chants? >> i can tell you my view of that. >> yes, please. >> my view that have is outrageous, and for anyone to

eric herschmann and nick luna went with the president to film the message in the rose garden. let's see what they had to say and see the never-before-seen raw footage of the president recording his video message. >> ultimately these remarks that we're looking at here in exhibit 25 were not the remarks that the president delivered in the rose garden. do you know why the president decided not to ice these? use these? >> i don't know, sir. i do not know why. >> did the president use any written remarks, to your knowledge? or did he just go off-the-cuff? >> to my knowledge, it was off-the-cuff, sir. >> when you're ready, sir. >> you tell me when. >> when you're ready, sir. >> who's behind me? >> he's gone. he's gone around. we're all clear now. >> i know your pain. i know your hurt. we had an election -- i know your pain. i know your hurt. we had an election that was stolen from us. it was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. but you have to go home now. we have to have peace. we have to have law and order. we have to respect our great people in l

i am pretty sure eric herschmann was there. but i'm confident it was pat that was there.hing more. they are literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung. and mike responded something to the effect of, you heard it, pat, he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. to which pat said something, this is effing crazy. we need to be doing something more. he briefly stepped into mark's office. >> do you remember any discussion at any point during the day about rioters at the capitol chanting hang mike pence? >> yes. i remember hearing that about that, yes. i don't know if i observed that myself on tv. >> did you remember what you can share with us about the discussion about those chants, those hang mike pence chants? >> i can tell you my view. >> yes, please. >> my view is that that is outrageous. for anyone to suggest such a thing as the vice president of the united states, for the people in that crowd to be chanting that, i thought it was terrible. i thought it was outrageous and wrong. and i expressed that very clearly. >> with res

and eric herschmann. they are saying that this is crazy, you can see voting machines, you can declare martial law, you can't make sydney powell of all people, the special counsel. that is the starting point. what is most memorable about that meeting is that just a couple of hours after it and it, at 1:42 am. on december 19th. donald trump since the tweet, january 6th be there we will be wild. >> i just think about what you just said, right? this is not normal. but there are people who take these people seriously. thank michael flynn and take sydney powell. and take rudy giuliani. this isn't normal, elliott? this is bad >> this was so alarming about it. we have people in the white house, and the oval office, in the residence according to the reporting trying to get the president to do things that would've been historically dangerous. historically abusive of his power. historically irresponsible. and only because of a few level heads, like cipollone and herschmann, and perhaps others. was donald trump drawn

a phone conversation that he had with john eastman the morning after the january 6th attack and herschmann had this warning, remember? >> and he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia and preserving something potentially for appeal and i said to him are you out of your f-ing mind? i said -- i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. i don't want to hear any other f-ing words coming out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition and repeat those words to me. eventually he said orderly transition. i said good, john, now i'll give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life, get a great f-ing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it, and then i hung up on him. >> orderly transition. well, then there was this gripping testimony from two georgia election workers. shay moss and her mother about the racist attacks they received and rudy giuliani after bogusly being accused of passing a usb drive to each other in some kind of vote-stealing scheme. >> what was your mom actually handing you on th

a couple minutes later, him and pat came back, possibly herschmann to, and pretty sure herschmann was there. but i'm confident it was path that was there. i remember pat saying something to me about, mark, we need to do something more. they're calling for the vice president to be effing hung. mark said, you heard him, pat. his concern is that he doesn't think they are doing anything wrong. to which path said something. this is effing crazy. we need to be doing something more. bringing it to mark's office. >> trump or any discussion during the day about rioters at the capitol chanting, hang mike pence? >> yes, i remember. i remember hearing that about that. yes. i don't know if i observe that myself on tv. >> i'm just curious. i understand the privilege, but do you remember what you can share with us about the discussion about those chants? the paying mike pence chance? >> i can tell you -- >> yes. >> my view is that that is outrageous. for anyone to suggest such a thing as the vice president of the united states, for people in the crowd to be chanting that, at that was terrible. i tho

herschmann turned to mr. cipollone and said, the president didn't want anything done. and so mr.l himself. so president trump wasn't calling long forsman or military leaders, whether president trump doing his time doing that afternoon when he for settled into the dining room? he was calling senators to encourage them to delay or object to the certification. here's kayleigh mcenany, his press secretary, to explain. >> all right, back, there and he wants a list of senators. and then he's calling them one by one, do you know which ones he called? >> the best my recollection, no. as i say in my notes, he wanted a list of the senators, and i left him at that point. >> because the president will call august empty, we do not yet know precisely which senators president trump was calling. but we do know from rudy giuliani's phone records that president trump also called him at 1:39. after he had been told that the riot was underway at the capital. mr. giuliani was president trump's lead election attorney. according to the phone records, the presidents call with him last approximately four

herschmann, mr. cipollone, that they were not offering him any solutions but miss powells and others were, so why not try what miss powell and others were proposing. do you remember anything along those lines being said by president trump? >> i do, that sounds right. >> i think it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there, i mean, you have people walk in, late at night, it had been a long day and what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> i'm going to describe it as you guys are not tough enough, or maybe i put it another way, you are a bunch of pussies, excuse the expression. i'm almost certain the word was used. >> screamed at me that i was a quitter, and standing up and turning around and screaming at me, a certain point i had it with him and i yelled back. either come over or sit your f-ing ass back down. >> the president and the white house team went upstairs to the residence but to the public part of the residence, the big parlor where you can have meetings

. >> i got a call, either from mali, or from eric herschmann, that i had to go to the oval office. >> so at the first point, i hadn't recognized, okay, there's no word from the white house. mark is gone. what's going on right now? >> i opened the door, and i walked in, and i saw general flynn. i saw sydney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people who are in the oval office. >> explain why. >> well, again, i don't think they were providing -- first of all, and overstock person i've never met, i never knew, i don't know who this person wants. actually, the first thing i did, i walked in, i looked at him, i said who are you? and he told me, i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. >> and -- so, i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> i was asked, to cling to, you think the democrats were working with venezuelans, and whomever else at, one point? general flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed, people all over the world, and who was communicating with whom, via the machines, and some comment about like stats being hooke

we know which was ivanka trump and mark meadows and to some extent white house counsel and eric herschmannthat's a big question that hopefully we will have answered on thursday. >> but it doesn't seem like they have gleaned a ton of information about that, beyond just that he wasn't doing much. even though they've talked to the people who were there that day, at least a few of them, ivanka trump obviously being the major one about what he was not doing and so is that really going to be the point of this hearing, i guess, is to show he did nothing. >> i think that is the point of the hearing, right? i think the point of the hearing is going to be not just his lack of action, but also what was his disposition. what was he saying to people. was he watching television, the answer widely is yes. what was he saying as he was taking this information, what was he saying about calling in the national guard. those are all questions that i expect to at least be if not answered addressed somewhat on thursday night. >> maggie haberman, thank you for sharing your reporting. >>> overnight a major governm

cipollone and herschmann, and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> three of them were really forcefully attacking me verbally. eric, derek, and that we are pushing back. we as a general matter, asking, where is the evidence? >> if it had been me sitting in his chair, i would've had him escorted out the building. >> i think it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. it had been a long day, and what they have been proposing, i thought, was nuts. >> i'm going to categorically describe it as, you guys are not tough enough. or maybe, i'll put it another way, you are bunch of weaklings, excuse the expression. but i'm almost certain that's the word that was used. >> i was screamed at, he was screaming at me. and then at a certain point i had it with him. and then i yield back. i had to come over or sit your butt back down. >> a swig of dr pepper was the case of that testimony. as surreal as all of that was, the presentation made clear that this was not a moment when the former president suddenly realized it w

here's a fuller clip that was released later of herschmann describing that conversation with eastmanhe attack on january 6th. >> eastman, i don't remember why he called me, or he texted me or called me, want to talk with me, and he said he couldn't reach others and he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia and preserving something potentially for appeal and -- i said to him, "are you out of your f-ing mind? right? said, "i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth for now on - orderly transition." and then i screamed and said "i don't want to hear any other f-ing words coming out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition repeat those words to me." >> what did he say >> eventually he said orderly transition i said, "good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. get a great f-ing criminal defense lawyer you're going to need it. and then i hung up on him. >> seth: damn, that guy should definitely audition for the next season of "billions. [ laughter ] "the guy you'd be playing is a hard-ass

herschmann.we went in and then we told the president, maybe ten minutes into the meeting or something, i forget how foreign, mr. donoghue was outside and. he said, we'll bring him in. and then mr. donoghue kim in and join to the meeting. >> so mr., you enter that room. can you set the scene for us and describe the tone you walked into? >> yes. but if i could just back up one moment, congressman, because you put the pictures up on the screen of the ag's, i want to make clear that one of the ages not on the screen was john tumors. john was the national security division ag. john was on the call. i preface the call by saying, john, we need you to stay in place. national securities too important. we need to minimize their is destruction. with your design is obviously up to you. obviously we'll ex respect your decision either way and i ask you to please stay in place. and he did. so i don't want to leave the impression that he was not going to resign. >> great. thank you. thank you for that. >> so wit

herschmann.d. mr. donahue was outside and he said well, bring him in. and mr. donahue came in and joined the meeting. >> so mr. donoghue, you enter that room. can you set the scene for us and describe the tone you walked into? >> yes, but if i could just back up when moment, congressman. you put pictures up on the screen of the ags. i want to make clear one of the agency was on the screen was drawn to merge. he was a national security division aag and john was on the call, but i prefaced the call by saying, john, we need you to stay in place. national security is too important. we need to minimize the disruption. whether you resign is entirely up to you. we will respect your decision either way. but i'm asking you, please stay in place. he did. >> msnbc's coverage of the january 6th hearing will continue after this short break. msnbc's coverage of the msnbc's coverage of the january 6th hearing will you're remembering how to tie a windsor. and while your washer is getting out those grass stains.

employee with national security responsibilities told us about a conversation with senior adviser eric herschmann and pat cipollone. the top white house lawyer. this conversation was about a pending call from the pentagon seeking to coordinate on the response to the attack. mister hershman turned to mister saw cipollone and said the president didn't want to do anything. and so mister cipollone had to take the call himself. so president trump wasn't calling law enforcement or military leaders. what to president trump spend his time doing that afternoon. well, first settled into the dining room. he was calling senators to encourage them to delay or object to the certification. here's kaley mcenany, his press secretary to explain. >> all right. this is back there. and he wants list of senators and then he's calling them one by one, you know, which one call. >> that's my >> as i say in my notes, he wanted a list of the senators. and, you know, i left at that point. >> because the presidential call august, andy, we do not yet know precisely which senators president trump was calling. but we do know fr

. >> cipollone and herschmann and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> we were asking one simple question, as a general matter -- "where is the evidence?" >> and she says, "well, the judges are corrupt." and i was like -- every one? every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost, every one of them is corrupt? even the ones we appointed? >> reporter: the trump's advisers nearly coming to blows. the president taking it all in, and when the meeting broke up well after midnight, he fired off this tweet, calling his supporters to washington on january 6th, telling them, "be there, will be wild." the committee says for the right wing fringe, that one tweet was about instant call to action. >> and now donald trump is calling on his supporters to descend on washington, d.c., january 6th. >> he is now calling on we the people to take action and to show our numbers. >> if necessary, storming right into the capitol. >> january 6th! there's going to be a million plus geeked up, armed americans. >> the time for action is now. where

eric herschmann and nick luna went with the president to film the message in the rose garden. let's hear what they had to say and see the never before seen raw footage of the president recording this video message. >> ultimately, these remarks that we're looking at here and exhibit 25 for not the remarks that the president delivered in the rose garden. do you know why the president decided not to use these? >> i don't know. so now i know. and you know, no one. did the president. >> using any written remarks to your knowledge or did he just go? >> off the cuff? to my knowledge, it was off the cuff, sir. >> ready for it. we tell me when when you're ready was was behind he's got he's are all clear now. >> i know your pain. i know you're hurt. we had a election hussein. i know your pain. i know you're hurt. we had election. >> that was stolen from us. it was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. but you have to go home now. we have to have peace. we have to have law and order. we have to respect our great. people in law and order. we don't want any

herschmann, mr.ollone, that they were not offering him any solutions, but missed powell and others were, so why not try? when mrs. powell and others were proposing, do you remember anything along those lines being set by president trump? >> i do. it sounds right. >> i think he got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. people walked in. it was late at night. it had been a long day. with they were proposing, i thought was nuts. >> i'm going to categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i'll put it another way, you are a bunch of bleeps. excuse the expression. i am almost certain the word was used. >> he kept on standing up, turning around and screaming at me. at a certain point i had it with him. so, i yield back. i had to come over. -- >> the president in the white house team went upstairs to the residents, but to the other part of the residents. the big parlor where you can have meetings of the conference room. >> you call it the yellow oval?

president, based on the objection from council. >> maybe had a brief conversation about it with eric herschmann. >> tell me about that. but do you remember him saying to you about this disagreement? >> i just remember him saying that he had -- i'm trying, i don't want to get this wrong. something to the effect of thinking that it would be counterproductive. i think, he thought to discuss the matter publicly. >> so, it came up in the context of editing the presidents speech on january the 6th? >> came up in the conversation where eric knew it was in the speech. and so, he had a sidebar with me about it. >> so, the speech writers took that advice and removed the lines about vice president pence. later that morning, at 11:20 am, president trump had a phone call with the vice president. as the committee detailed in an earlier hearing, that phone call was, by all accounts, tense and he did. during this call, the vice president told the president that he would not attempt to change the outcome of the election. in response, the president called the vice president of the united states a win and other d

. >> cipollone and herschmann and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain ofnt. >> i remember the three of them were really sort of forcefully attacking me, you know, verbally. we were pushing back, and we were asking one simple question. as a general matter, where is the evidence? >> what response did you get when you asked ms. powell and her colleagues, where's the evidence? >> a variety of responses, based on her recollection, including, you know, i can't believe you would say something -- things like this. like, what do you mean where's the evidence? things like that. or, you know, a disregard, i would say, a general disregard for the importance of actually backing up what you say with facts. >> so, the shiny object here is the lunacy of this meeting, and it sounds like it's verbally incredibly intense, but we know from eric herschmann, there's also a threat from mike flynn to get up and throw down at one point, just an argument for all women running the world, but we'll do that another day. i want to ask you, miles, the fact that even the craziest of trum

what do you think about eric herschmann saying that they felt drained?that that was fun. maybe that will happen it to their house. but to know and learn that they were mentally drained, we were physically drained and exhausted from that fighting that. to the point that we literally put out bodies and lives on the line to protect every member inside the capitol. and then you have some of the same people who we protected running for their lives. that put it in perspective. then, they come back and say, it was a tour. what is that? it's a peaceful protest. but yet you see them running for the lives, for the time that us, the officers, and our colleagues afforded them to get to safety. it's disgusting to me. >> yeah. >> officer dunn, cnn is reporting that the heads of donald trump's secret service detail and pence's secret service detail or among the 24 secret service agents whose text messages were requested for review in the investigation into all this. the text might be missing, and in fact, we are told that tony renato, who is a secret service agent who

i'm giving her security clearance, and then shortly before we left, that's when cipollone and or herschmanne other man was, said you can name her whatever you want to name her and no one's going to pay any attention to it. >> how did the president respond to that? >> something like, you see would ideal, with ideal with this all the time. >> over the ensuing days no further steps were taken to a point sydney powell but there is some ambiguity about what the president actually said it during the meeting. here's how pat cipollone described it. >> i don't know what her understanding of whether she had been appointed, or whether she had not been appointed. in my view she had not been appointed to anything, and ultimately was not -- there had to be other steps taken. that was my view when i left the meeting. she may have had a different view, and others may have had a different view. >> were any steps taken including the president himself taken her she had been appointed? >> again, i'm not gonna get into what the president said in the meeting. my recollection is, you're not appointed until steps

. >> eric herschmann? >> yes. >> mark meadows? >> yes. >> stephen: is the president guilty?s a hotdog a sandwich? >> yes. who's your favorite '70s group. >> yes. >> stephen: was every single person in the white house other than the president horrified by his criminal coup attempt? ( screaming ) >> yes! yes! yes! yes! yes! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: even though advisors wanted him to make a public address, they knew it would come with a couple of risks. >> president trump's advisors knew his state of mind at the moment and they were worried about what he would say in unscripted comments. >> stephen: yes, they were worried he would walk up to the podium in the press room and start jazz scatting, hang mike pence. ( laughter ) >> members of the v.p. were starting to fear for their own lives. there was a lot of yelling, a lot of -- a lot of very personal >> stephen: members of pence's security detail were calling their families to say goodbye. that's how real the danger was, so anytime some republican says this was just a normal tourist visit, remember the guy that disne

secondly, former white house attorney eric herschmann said that he authored the note that it's his handwriting not hutchinson's. i don't know the answer. why not hire handwriting experts and see who's telling the truth? by the way, if lawmakers really want to conduct actual oversight to protect the country, they want to look into the current president and zero experience on and family shady foreign syndicate lying that he never talked to his son about it never a single time. learning more tonight about the biden administration shipping oil from our strategic reserves to the chinese gas giant that was linked to hunter biden. just the latest in a long trend of trump going soft on china or as miranda devine writes "the new york post" biden disbanded the initiative to target beijing's economic espionage. if biden refused to press china on the origins of covid. despite widely known surveillance and national security concerns, hero wants to revoke --he wants to revoke tariffs. china, russia, ukraine. we have even more disturbing developments in the chronicles of hunter biden. take a look at your scr

. >> cipollone and herschmann and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> the three of them were forcefully attacking me and asking one simple question. as a general matter. where is the evidence? >> flynn screamed at me and said i was either a quitter, and kept screaming at me. and that at a certain point i had with him -- you know and i yield back -- come over or shush secure effing asked back. down >> they were looking for news that would enable -- that would result in present president trump remaining president trump for a second term. >> sit your effing ass down. that was shouted to another person in the oval office. committee member jamie raskin described what happened when all this is over. >> the meeting finally broke up after midnight, between the early morning of december 19, cassidy hutchinson captured the moments of mark meadows escorting rudy giuliani off the white house grounds to make sure quote he didn't wander back into the mansion. certain accounts of this meeting indicate that president trump actually granted ms. paul se

. >> cipollone and herschmann and whoever the other guy was, should nothing but contempt and disdainesident. >> the three of them were sort of forcefully attacking me verbally. i was asking one simple question as a general matter where is the evidence? what do you mean where is the evidence, you should. no >> he was sitting in his chair i would've fired all of them that night. >> to what she was saying, and she said the judges are corrupt. and i was like, everyone? every single case that you have done, every was corrupt? even the once we appointed? it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. it had been a long day, and what they were proposing, it was nuts. >> i'm going to gadget gloriously describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe, i'll put it another way, you're a bunch of pushes. >> i got -- standing up, turning around, and screaming at me. at some, point i had it with him. so, i yield back. at the come over, and a stellar dissident your ass back down. >> they said the meeting in the west wing was unhinged. shortly after the participa

herschmann turned to mr. cipollone and said, the president did not want to do anything. so mr.cipollone had to take the call himself. if president trump was not calling law enforcement or military leaders, what to president trump spend his time doing that afternoon he was calling senators to encourage them to delay or reject the certification. here is his press secretary to explain. >> he is calling them one by one. do you know which ones he call? >> to the best of my recollection, no. he wanted a list of the senators and i left him at that point. amy: kayleigh mcenany in a prerecorded deposition. we will air more from the january 6 house committee after break, including the outtakes of trump's speech the day after january 6. stay with us. ♪♪ [muc break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we will be posting our new interview with simone in both spanish and english. we're continuing our coverage of thursday's hearing at the u.s. select committee to investigate the january 6 attack on the united states capitol. the hearing fe