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joining us is fareed zakaria host of fareed zakaria gps and retired army lieutenant general mark hertling i appreciate all of you being with us. fareed, how big of a problem is it that donald trump seems to have evolved, if it's the right word, referring generals to get a plan together when previously he said he has a plan and it's a secret plan and take the hell out of iraq and bomb the hell out of the oil and more troops, less troops? >> as with almost anything trump says you know there is no thought through public policy or strategy. he's sort of winging it and every day depending on the crowd, he says what he thinks at that moment, either the crowd wants to hear or what moves him. so, you know, it's in a sense part of a pattern. the important thing to understand here is that his most recent incarnation which is that he'll ask the generals and mark hertling and company to come up with a plan in 30 days to defeat isis, and it's sort of meaningless, because the u.s. military is the strongest armed force in the history of the world. isis is probably 30,000 likely armed insurgents. the uni

hertling's response. >> i'll answer the question on reducing to rubble.ated me when i heard him say that. he had more contempt for the general officer. i don't know of any general officer afraid to talk to the current commanders in chief or any commander in chief. we know by our oath of office and bert knows this that we protect and defend the constitution of the united states and serve the people who are commanders. so when you give military advice, i don't know of any general officers in my 37-year career who are afraid to talk to any political masters. and for all the respect that alleged live donald tru allegedly donald trump shows to the military, an element of support is communicating well. i just don't buy it. >> do you think the commanders in chief, in your estimation, do you think the generals are afraid to give advice to the commander in chief, any commander in chief or anyone, maybe secretary of state who may be in the situation room, general hertling? >> i do not. i've been one of those and i've had the opportunity to talk to the secretary of

you heard what general hertling said. donald trump has said he is for torturing terrorists, right, killing the family members of terrorists. now you heard sara murray just say mr. trump is for diplomacy. which is it? >> well, i think that we are so politically correct, the rules of engagement are so strict, and since world war ii, we have not had a victory. we come up with relationships and understandings, but it is nothing like a victory in world war ii. so the whole request for a plan to defeat, i have to probably take issue with it, because i don't think we can come up with it. we don't have the resources. >> general shachnow, just so the audience understands, does that mean you're for things like torture or killing terrorists families, and is what you talked to mr. trump about? >> no. i'm not for torture. but i am for saying the way things are. if we cannot defeat somebody, then we should add mit that up front and not follow-up on it as if it's an attainable goal. >> so general hertling, i don't know if you caught tha

i think it's a war reparation i think is what he's talking about. >> general hertling, he has been very specific about taking the oil, about chevron, other u.s. oil companies -- >> yeah. let me jump on to it. i'm chomping at the bit here. it is a geneva convention violation. it violates two articles of the geneva convention. it would be a war crime. you leave, when you attack a foreign nation and occupy it, you may take reparation but you leave the nation at its status quo. you don't steal its natural resources. that's number one. number two, i heard what donald trump said. it went on a long list of things that i have heard him say on other subjects and what's interesting is for a guy who claims to be so outspoken and not politically correct in speaking the truth all day, i have heard multiple surrogates of donald trump explaining what he meant when he said i want to take the oil. this isn't an interpretive game. he's got to state what he means. communication is a key element of a leader and he's failing miserably in this regard. >> in fact, in the past, when i have asked him well, won'

oil -- >> let me say -- >> -- to fuel themselves. >> let's go to our military folks and general hertlingtalked about this before. this is the thing donald trump said from the beginning, take the oil. i cannot wrap my mind around the concept, just from a military standpoint, because all i see is you're taking the oil of a sovereign nation, which is our ally, under this anity kuwaited notion of to the victor goes the spoils. they're spoupposedly our ally, d for the percentage of the country that doesn't hate us already, wouldn't it turn everybody against the united states if we are stealing iraq's oil? >> not if we were in the 16th century, anderson, but unfortunately we're not. we're in the 21st. i heard in trump say that, it is on a long list of things i heard him say about what the military can and can't do. having been in northern iraq where a good portion of the oil is for almost two years, i can tell you i can't wrap my head around it either. i am glad he as a businessman knows how to do that. i can't figure it out. if it is bringing other corporations in, continue to pump while the

that list are, frankly, navy admirals who have not been on the ground in this fight. >> general hertlingary rosen as a clinton supporter, do you like what you see in terms of her coming out on the plane and talking to reporters and as reporters, we've been discussing clearly she's responding to that with the panel of these poll numbers. >> the fact that we're just seeing her more on tv is an important thing and that people are getting more of her engagement. she has been out there doing events every single day and talking to parents and talking to educators and talking to community leaders. so she has been there. it's just it hasn't been the kind of thing that the media has tended to cover the way that they're covering trump's big rallies and even this afternoon. >> even this afternoon when hillary and trump ended up in dueling press conferences, all three networks turned away from hillary and went to the trump press conference. you know, she is out there answering questions. so i just don't buy that she's not accessible. having said that, look, he has been dominating the conversation fo

know this lieutenant general hertling he's nobody to assail. he knows his history. >> four star generals on the list who endorsed donald trump with his plan to move forwards. the question is, we've got one general who doesn't support donald trump he's entitled to his opinion but do not despairage the 88 generals. >> the 30-day demand, why is that the right way to do it? >> i think because what you have with donald trump, you have a leader. what he's already doing he's sitting down with the generals and admirals from around the country. with the best military experts, the day i take office, 30 days from january 20th, 30 day, later, we're going to have a plan that's precise, concise and will take out isis immediately. >> now, remember, this is a man donald trump who has said he knows more about isis than the generals. he knows the most about isis. from word go that's insulting to our military leaders because they have been admirals and jens, 95 of whom, many republicans supporting hillary clinton. they've been on the front lines. no one should sa

. >> general hertling, i want to get your response. >> i'm going to use the word plunder because that quite frankly, alisyn, it's really discouraging to me, and i love keith, but to see not only keith but others attempt to interpret what he said. every time you get a different surrogate for mr. trump, they interpret it a different way. when is he going to start meaning what he says and using the right words to communicate? he didn't say guard the oil. he didn't say secure the oil. he said we should have taken the oil. that only tells me that he's looking at plundering, and that's against the american value system and the american way of war. >> general hertling, general kellogg, thank you for debating all this. >> thanks, alisyn. >> let's get to chris. >>> so last night the e-mail controversy that's being dogging hillary clinton, it came up. now, it is debatable whether or not the server story is a matter of national security. what did not come up last night may be the headline for you this morning. you see colin powell on your screen right now. an e-mail from him to secretary clinton

general hertling?ut young people together, these kinds of things happen to a small percentage. and the good commanders prosecute them with a vengeance and it happens. >> christine quinn, what do you make of what you heard tonight from donald trump? >> i think donald trump was pretty clear that he stands by his earlier tweet, which i find really reprehensible. he started off his statements by saying basically that making the military have men and women in it is what caused this to happen, that we should have expected it. that is in fact blaming the women who have gone into the military to serve, to say that they should have expected that if they were going to serve side by side with men, this would happen, when in fact countless countries have brought women in their military in combat before we did and there is no evidence that that as a matter of course causes this to happen. i have to say i do agree with donald trump that more needs to be done as it relates to prosecution, but i don't think there is a

>> all right, general hertling, chairman hoekstra, thank you. pretty soon, there will be more to discuss. >> love to continue the conversation between you two, thank you very much. >> we're waiting to hear from donald trump. i guarantee that will spur more discussion. we'll have live remarks as soon as they begin. >> plus, it would be a good idea for trump to apologize for questioning president obama's place of birth. those birther conspiracies. according to a high-profile donald trump supporter, dr. ben carson. 80% of women say a healthy lifestyle is a priority. but up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's 50+ complete multivitamin. with vitamin d and calcium to help support bone health. one a day. perfect driving record. until one of you clips a food truck. then your rates go through the roof. perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. and if you do have an accident, our claims centers are available to assist you tw

joining me is lieutenant general mark hertling, cnn military analyst and former army commanding general mike baker, former cia covert operations officer. welcome to both of you. general, what do you make of those comments about blowing these iranian ships out of the water? >> what i would comment on is that commanders on the scene, either a navy captain on a ship or a ground commander or air commander, has to make these kind of decisions in terms of what is threatening versus what's just harassment. i saw the films of the harassing patrol boats against the cruiser and in fact, yeah, it was unprofessional behavior on the part of the iranians but it's not something you want to generate world war iii over. you don't shoot boats out of the water when they are in international seas even if they are performing harassing actions. there are other actions that that navy commander can take before he actually pulls the trigger. now, he certainly can do that at any given time if he feels his ship is threatened but in this case it's mostly harassment. truthfully, this goes on all over the world betw